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dandezebra · Post by **dandezebra** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:43 pm

poshook wrote:
dandezebra wrote: Each of these techniques are captured across a range of notes, and by section (Brass Low, Mid and High, Woods High and Low, and Strings), giving you the flexibility to program or perform your orchestral compositions with plenty of control.
That is simply not truth as for brass and woodwinds there is just staccato and sustain.

I don't see where it says that they have more...

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:47 pm

dandezebra wrote: Each of these techniques are captured across a range of notes, and by section (Brass Low, Mid and High, Woods High and Low, and Strings), giving you the flexibility to program or perform your orchestral compositions with plenty of control.

And on top of this in every review they talking about it because it's the main concept for this library still OP wasn't aware.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:50 pm

Burillo wrote:
dandezebra wrote:Again, as has been said...What could a company's guarantee be that a library was deleted if it was refunded or exchanged after download? I am genuinely curious as I would imagine it would be a mess that would open up the ilok blah can of worms. I know they watermark.
what is u-he's guarantee that after i just sold Satin i deleted it from my HDD and won't ever use the serial? what is Pettinhouse's guarantee that i still don't have their libraries i sold off a few years ago on my HDD? there isn't any. so what? we're all adults here.

But then don't buy from them simple as that. Start ranting after accepting the EULA? Are you kidding?

dandezebra · Post by **dandezebra** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:58 pm

murnau wrote:
Burillo wrote:
dandezebra wrote:Again, as has been said...What could a company's guarantee be that a library was deleted if it was refunded or exchanged after download? I am genuinely curious as I would imagine it would be a mess that would open up the ilok blah can of worms. I know they watermark.
what is u-he's guarantee that after i just sold Satin i deleted it from my HDD and won't ever use the serial? what is Pettinhouse's guarantee that i still don't have their libraries i sold off a few years ago on my HDD? there isn't any. so what? we're all adults here.
But then don't buy from them simple as that. Start ranting after accepting the EULA? Are you kidding?

We are all (hopefully) adults here and hence why this conversation has stayed cordial so far!

I think the problem is that there are a ton of assnecks who are pirating and or posting these fantastic products. Hopefully someone will get them in trouble when they get signed to Geffen from their mom's basement...

poshook · Post by **poshook** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:01 pm

dandezebra wrote:
poshook wrote:
dandezebra wrote: Each of these techniques are captured across a range of notes, and by section (Brass Low, Mid and High, Woods High and Low, and Strings), giving you the flexibility to program or perform your orchestral compositions with plenty of control.
That is simply not truth as for brass and woodwinds there is just staccato and sustain.
I don't see where it says that they have more...

you just took part of the text, that could be understand in many ways. This is not a matter of the discussion. You only need to make me wrong. I do not like such approach as is not honest but manipulative. When we discuss each sentence step by step we will surely end in flame as your point of view is different than mine. E.g. first sentence in the text: "This is everything you need to make film music in one box." This is simple not truth for everyone because they do not know everyone's needs. etc.
The point of this discussion should be related to audio software market in general and focused to library developers as they us different rules toward customers than others. Nothing is black and white and they are 100% right and I am 100% idiot.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:08 pm

Are you skipping the simple facts in every review for Albion One? Oh i forgot you don't read reviews neither EULA's.

First find @ G*ggle: "Albion One Review"

The main selling point of Albion is that its orchestral sections are pre-orchestrated, so rather than (say) separate first violins, second violins, violas, cellos and basses, you get a blended ensemble of all five, mapped according to range, with the lower strings giving way to violins in the high register. This would be a disadvantage for old-school orchestral composers who like to construct arrangements in traditional score format one instrument or section at a time, but for less experienced users seeking more instant results, it’s a Godsend. Simply put, it means you can immediately hear the sound of full orchestral ensembles doing their thing, enabling you to concentrate on musical creation without having to continually think about what patch you’re going to need next.

from S.O.S

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:09 pm

There is a list of patches on every spitfire audio product page.. I know for sure there is one for albion one.. U can see there every patch comes with .

Rsp

poshook wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:If you read the manual, it says this:

ALBION ONE ORCHESTRA
The first folder is Albion ONE Orchestra, which contains
patches for low, mid and high brass; low and high woodwinds;
and strings:
Do those not exist as separate brass and woodwinds instruments? On Edit: I see, you were hoping for solo instruments. It says nothing like that in the manual, why would you expect that they were there?
I did not expect solo instruments but solo sections that means not trombones, trumpets and horns together but trombones, horns and trumpets separately as a trombones section, horns section and trumpets section as I have in EW or Vienna orchestra.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:10 pm

If there is no demo, you need to do LOTS of research before you take a gamble. Thats what it is, a gamble. Will you like it, will it work on YOUR system....

Buy in haste, repent at leisure.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:15 pm

AnX wrote:If there is no demo, you need to do LOTS of research before you take a gamble. Thats what it is, a gamble. Will you like it, will it work on YOUR system....

Buy in haste, repent at leisure.

1+

Most people would then think: Okay, my fault.. What the hell..

..take it as lesson and getting over it.

This guy is different.. ..to bad that it didn't worked out here as expected.

dandezebra · Post by **dandezebra** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:28 pm

poshook wrote:
dandezebra wrote:
poshook wrote:
dandezebra wrote: Each of these techniques are captured across a range of notes, and by section (Brass Low, Mid and High, Woods High and Low, and Strings), giving you the flexibility to program or perform your orchestral compositions with plenty of control.
That is simply not truth as for brass and woodwinds there is just staccato and sustain.
I don't see where it says that they have more...
you just took part of the text, that could be understand in many ways. This is not a matter of the discussion. You only need to make me wrong. I do not like such approach as is not honest but manipulative. When we discuss each sentence step by step we will surely end in flame as your point of view is different than mine. E.g. first sentence in the text: "This is everything you need to make film music in one box." This is simple not truth for everyone because they do not know everyone's needs. etc.
The point of this discussion should be related to audio software market in general and focused to library developers as they us different rules toward customers than others. Nothing is black and white and they are 100% right and I am 100% idiot.

I never called anyone an idiot nor have I ever said that every company is 100% correct. I have implied, however, that you made a mistake with this purchase... I make them daily (just ask my wife!). I have also made mistakes with plugin purchases but they have generally been my fault.

I guess it seems like you are calling out Spitfire for false advertising... Correct me if I am wrong. Do you have EW? Or other libraries, synths, and effects? Is everything 100% true about what they have claimed which can be opinion based?

Again, I do not want to attack anyone but I still don't quite get it. Keep in mind that most of the Spitfire bashing hasn't been the OP!

It is like me saying that this is either true or untrue:

The EASTWEST/QUANTUM LEAP SYMPHONIC ORCHESTRA eclipses all others with the highest level of fidelity and realism. Get that big "Hollywood Sound" film/tv/games directors and producers seek "out of the box", no other orchestral collection comes close or is as easy to use!

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:36 pm

poshook wrote:
chk071 wrote:I just realized that Albion One is 349 €... wow, how can you even buy that without knowing exactly what to expect? Seriously, there's gazillion of sound demos of it available online. Next time, make up your head thoroughly, before shelling out so much money for something you don't want or need. *shakes head*
Yes next time sure. I think that we could talk about the issue no matter the price as price is very subjective. When I read what you write, I have the impression that the higher the price the more intensive I have to listen to audio demos. Have you ever resell or refund a plugin?

Yes. But, mainly stuff i got cheap, and bought more or less blindly. Anything for 100 € plus hasn't been an impulse buy, or bought without thoroughly demoing it, which in this case probably equals to reading what is included, and listening to a lot of sound demos. Don't get me wrong, i don't want to patronize you, still, 349 € is a lot of money, and if i wouldn't know exactly what to expect, i'd surely not spend it.

poshook · Post by **poshook** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:37 pm

AnX wrote:If there is no demo, you need to do LOTS of research before you take a gamble. Thats what it is, a gamble. Will you like it, will it work on YOUR system....

Buy in haste, repent at leisure.

No research gives you the response that something will work fluently on your system or something will work in your own compositions. Nothing will let you understand 100% except the trial in person. We can continue in competition who is clever but nobody can tell that something is capable to replace one's personal experience when we talk about tools for music making.
And yes, my fault that I make a mistake to be a part of a business where customer pay 100% of the price for a product that he has never been able to try. The customer has only one attempt but not for try but only for buy.

poshook · Post by **poshook** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:49 pm

chk071 wrote:
poshook wrote:
chk071 wrote:I just realized that Albion One is 349 €... wow, how can you even buy that without knowing exactly what to expect? Seriously, there's gazillion of sound demos of it available online. Next time, make up your head thoroughly, before shelling out so much money for something you don't want or need. *shakes head*
Yes next time sure. I think that we could talk about the issue no matter the price as price is very subjective. When I read what you write, I have the impression that the higher the price the more intensive I have to listen to audio demos. Have you ever resell or refund a plugin?
Yes. But, mainly stuff i got cheap, and bought more or less blindly. Anything for 100 € plus hasn't been an impulse buy, or bought without thoroughly demoing it, which in this case probably equals to reading what is included, and listening to a lot of sound demos. Don't get me wrong, i don't want to patronize you, still, 349 € is a lot of money, and if i wouldn't know exactly what to expect, i'd surely not spend it.

Anyway I see this sort of business as not right. I have a company and for me it is unimaginable to sell something to the customer without trial and without the possibility of returning the goods back even though I have provided him with all available information. For me it is primarily about mutual respect and the effort to create a win-win relationship. I can not imagine that I have a money in my bank account from the customer dissatisfied with the purchase.

dandezebra · Post by **dandezebra** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:59 pm

Can someone point me to a demo of an 80gb sample library?

coincidental · Post by **coincidental** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:02 pm

AnX wrote:Buy in haste, repent at leisure.

I think this could be the KVR motto - after all, 90% of what's written on here could be classified as one of these two things.

We've all done it, and it does sting a bit. Albion is a great tool - if you want to do what it does. The important thing is to be honest about what you want to do, what you know how to do, what you have time/perseverance/talent to do. It's the disconnect between these things and reality that that stings - and in this case Spitfire can't be blamed for any sort of false prospectus (except perhaps promoting the belief that creating orchestral music is something anyone can do with very little previous experience/knowledge, but this is something where the blame is very widely spread...).

Sorry for the OP - regroup, learn something, move forward along a path that suits you better.

Should I bother updating my Albion 1 at the "cheap" offer? That's a much harder question to answer...

No demo, refund and even NFR of some orchestral libraries - is that legal?