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kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:14 pm

from what i see, a lot of people go away from cubase and work in reaper now.

from my experience, reaper is the only daw capable of accurate automation, the second is fstudio with high PPQ, ableton is really great too-i speak about automation with daw intern plugin, not vst.
second, reaper, with a new ui, will be the boss of the town. the team behind and the user forum, with all the great scripts programmers, will certainly make it a main daw in a near futur.-for me, it's already a main daw, if you compare his features, update.price and his cpu/perf management. watch how fast the devellopement is compare to other....ok, you don't have any marketing, but who care...

Apratim · Post by **Apratim** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:17 pm

chk071 wrote:
kokotte wrote:
Apratim wrote:
chk071 wrote:I used the Reaper plugin suite in Cubase, and, i wasn't too impressed either. Mainly has to do with that butt ugly GUI though, which is already a reason i don't like Reaper very much. I mean, i don't expect extra shiny eyecandy, but... i don't think it has to look like the neighbourhood's gutter either. The sound didn't impress me much either, IIRC. But, OK, it's host included plugins. They're never THAT good in my experience.
sound ??????????????????????????????? what do you mean
i agree the GUI is ugly as f**k
but sound ????
if that was the case then i think cd projekt or any other major company wont switch from cubase to reaper

i you mean to say that the playback audio and the rendered audio is diffrent then thats to do with the default pan law set in bus track which f**k up the rendered audio
i think,chk071 speak about the plugin suite, not the daw....
Yep, that's it.

ok i apologize for that some info was misinterpreted by me

Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:19 pm

THE INTRANCER wrote: Sure Reaper has some nice idea's up it's sleeve, but it's overall package and experience makes that pretty much redundant.

Someone mentioned it was like a Indi program, I think that hit's the nail on the head, nice idea's but really a hollow experience overall.

This description exactly fits my experience with Studio One while using it for three years

. A lot of good ideas, but not enough substance when getting to the power user stuff, needlessly slowing down the process and limiting the user, again just in my personal opinion. I got frustrated with it, and when switching to Reaper, I felt relieved as I got to work more efficiently, with a more suitable workflow for me. I was also very impressed with the stability. Also speaking from a background of extensive experience over here. It's important to note how much personal use cases and preferences differ.

Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:22 pm

kokotte wrote:from what i see, a lot of people go away from cubase and work in reaper now.

You must be seeing wrong because Reaper and Cubase are almost polar opposites.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:49 pm

Ex Cubase power user talks about it

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:30 pm

Guenon wrote:
THE INTRANCER wrote: Sure Reaper has some nice idea's up it's sleeve, but it's overall package and experience makes that pretty much redundant.

Someone mentioned it was like a Indi program, I think that hit's the nail on the head, nice idea's but really a hollow experience overall.
This description exactly fits my experience with Studio One while using it for three years . A lot of good ideas, but not enough substance when getting to the power user stuff, needlessly slowing down the process and limiting the user, again just in my personal opinion. I got frustrated with it, and when switching to Reaper, I felt relieved as I got to work more efficiently, with a more suitable workflow for me. I was also very impressed with the stability. Also speaking from a background of extensive experience over here. It's important to note how much personal use cases and preferences differ.

Studio One has had a shorter development time than Reaper but fills all the needs I require from it to aid in the process of scoring filmscore music and I never feel like I'm missing anything in regard to music tools specifically. I don't feel like I'm fighting with it.

It just makes sense,
Clear focused development,
Solid and big updates,
Confidence that if things
do go wrong, they will be fixed.

Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:39 pm

THE INTRANCER wrote:Studio One has had a shorter development time than Reaper but fills all the needs I require from it to aid in the process of scoring filmscore music and I never feel like I'm missing anything in regard to music tools specifically. I don't feel like I'm fighting with it.

It's a great feeling when you find the environment that suits your needs that well. And from the above I know you understand how frustrating it can be if, indeed, using something as your main working environment feels like you have to fight it, and that it's missing some central functionality you need. I felt like that with Studio One, but I do acknowledge how good it is when your use case lines up with what it has on offer. That's why I always recommend people try it out themselves, and see how it clicks with them. Same thing with Reaper, or any other host, ultimately one needs to try it out for themselves, in that specific use case that reflects their individual needs, preferences and experience.

Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:43 pm

Zexila wrote:Ex Cubase power user talks about it

A lot of his pros are stuff that were already part of Cubase when this video was made, and even more of these things have been added since...
Got anything from someone who works with big sample libraries?

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:46 pm

Romantique Tp wrote:
Zexila wrote:Ex Cubase power user talks about it
A lot of his pros are stuff that were already part of Cubase when this video was made, and even more of these things have been added since...
Got anything from someone who works with big sample libraries?

So not polar opposites after all...

lolilol1975 · Post by **lolilol1975** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:46 pm

elassi wrote:
lolilol1975 wrote:
elassi wrote: Should have been more precise: never tried them (which implicates: never used them).

It's a simple decision based on a single reason: already have the FX tools in question and am satisfied, so why bother with the DAW FX (except they may be more CPU-efficient but never ran into such problems).

Ah yes yes. For sure.

lolilol1975 · Post by **lolilol1975** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:49 pm

chk071 wrote:I used the Reaper plugin suite in Cubase, and, i wasn't too impressed either. Mainly has to do with that butt ugly GUI though, which is already a reason i don't like Reaper very much. I mean, i don't expect extra shiny eyecandy, but... i don't think it has to look like the neighbourhood's gutter either. The sound didn't impress me much either, IIRC. But, OK, it's host included plugins. They're never THAT good in my experience.

I think Logic Pro and Ableton have some great stock plugins, especially Logic though.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:53 pm

lolilol1975 wrote:
chk071 wrote:I think Logic Pro and Ableton have some great stock plugins, especially Logic though.

Yeah, Logic really does, stuff like Sculpture, Alchemy all the way to effects, compressor is quite ace too

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-c ... nload.html

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:56 pm

Romantique Tp wrote:Got anything from someone who works with big sample libraries?

http://otr.storyteller.im/

This guy uses Reaper for huge orchestrals.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:04 pm

kokotte wrote: second, reaper, with a new ui, will be the boss of the town.

What new UI? Is that a rumor or what? Any links or relations?

Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:07 pm

Zexila wrote: So not polar opposites after all...

So Reaper has per-note quantize undo too. Guess they're exactly the same DAW now.

EvilDragon wrote: http://otr.storyteller.im/

Cool template.

Polarized opinions about Reaper