KVR Audio

crystalmsc · Post by **crystalmsc** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:24 am

This could be just me, but I have a sentimental situation with the original JV-1080 and the plugin version, it's really what I've been waiting for! The JV-1080 is one the first synth that I still have, fully expanded with several boards and cards. I love it for the early Roland's character, but wished for a bit of improvements. The sound is a bit cloudy, which can be good for certain situation, but I like it to be a bit more open. Not as hi-fi as the JD-990 or XV-5080, but still as a JV-1080 that I like the most. A bit worried that plugin version is going to be the same or going to be too clean sounding. But it appears that the improvement is perfect, a more open sounding JV-1080 sound! I own a U-220 and used to wish for a plugin version, along with the JV-90. But not anymore, the JV-1080 plugin is everything I've wanted and more. Can't wait for the expansion boards for being used through the JV-1080 plugin, it's like a new experience again. I can hear the difference of the Vintage board being used in the JV-1080, JD-990 or JV-90. I like the last one better followed by the JD-990. When I miss the good old sound, there's a SoundCanvas VA, which is not perfect but easily brings the nostalgia. I'd be glad if they release an authentic SC-880 for the better SC sound and layering, it's going to be the best game music plugin and compliment the JV-1080 plugin nicely.

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:25 am

db3 wrote:
SLiC wrote:Well modern romper/wave based synths sounds better to me and is far easier to program than the JV-1080 VST multi page paradigm, I guess I just don't see the point of modelling this old digital stuff in software, but other people obviously like it so each to there own. Time will tell if it will be enough to get people to subscribe to the cloud, I like Roland's analogue modelled stuff ([particularly the system 8 plug more than the emulations) but have no need of the digital/sample player (concerto) stuff so remain a non-subscriber.
+1

I owned, and loved, a JV-1080 back in the day. But I tried the plugin with a trial cloud account, and it just sounded dated rather than vintage.

Thats how old romplers sound

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:22 am

BMoore wrote: So it is true. Germans has no humor.

But their (d)english is much better...

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:40 am

beely · Post by **beely** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:33 pm

Ingonator wrote:Hre is a list of effects included with the JV-1080 plugin that were not included with the XV-5080

The thing is though, the XV-5080 *does* support 1080 sysex import (and indeed, I have a huge amount of 1080 preset banks available in my 5080 that I downloaded) so I think the FX are there, albeit under different names perhaps.

I will take a look at this and see which algorithms in the 1080 that seem to be "missing" show up on the 5080 when you import the sysex...

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:43 pm

Frantz wrote: Why do people want to go back to 90s Rompler Hell when we have so many superior synths available now?

Why do people want to go back to 80's Analog Hell when we have so many superior synths available now?

By the way a "Rompler" can do VA too......

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:55 pm

I would have loved to have all these Romplers as VSTi's back in 1997. Now in 2017 all I want is a Virus VSTi (coming out in a week).

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:10 pm

Strictly speaking though, a rompler can't do VA properly as it doesnt have freerunning oscillators, but sampled waveforms. Just saying ...

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:11 pm

Teksonik wrote:
Frantz wrote: Why do people want to go back to 90s Rompler Hell when we have so many superior synths available now?
Why do people want to go back to 80's Analog Hell when we have so many superior synths available now?

By the way a "Rompler" can do VA too......

Thats a bit of nonsense response because in terms of sound quality (i mean thicknes, fatness, warmth, instabilities ect) in most cases analog synths are Superior to the digital ones with few exceptions (virus, nord).

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:19 pm

Lotuzia wrote:Strictly speaking though, a rompler can't do VA properly as it doesnt have freerunning oscillators, but sampled waveforms. Just saying ...

If you focus on what's coming out of your speakers (something that a lot of people struggle to do) then yes a Rompler can do VA.

Just sayin........

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:22 pm

Elektronisch wrote:
Teksonik wrote:
Frantz wrote: Why do people want to go back to 90s Rompler Hell when we have so many superior synths available now?
Why do people want to go back to 80's Analog Hell when we have so many superior synths available now?

By the way a "Rompler" can do VA too......
Thats a bit of nonsense response because in terms of sound quality (i mean thicknes, fatness, warmth, instabilities ect) in most cases analog synths are Superior to the digital ones with few exceptions (virus, nord).

No, no you have it backwards. In most cases the Software is far superior to the Hardware. In terms of both sound quality and ability.

beely · Post by **beely** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:23 pm

If you like the character of these Roland digital synths, there is nothing else that sounds the same in the box. For that alone, these plugins have merit.

Not everyone needs thick/fat/warm sound all the time - in fact, Roland's overriding sound character since the JP8 has been the ability to do thinner, cleaner, silkier sounds than your big fat American synths like Moogs/Overheims/SCIs etc

If you want to do realistic orchestral mockups, of course modern sample libraries are better.

I understand why some people don't like the Roland romplers, and why those are not for them, but just don't assume that everyone else has the same tastes and requirements. Plenty of people hate the D50, or the M1, or the DX7 too... it didn't stop them being incredibly popular and influential machines that helped make a ton of hit records, and have sounds that people still love to this day, regardless of how old their technology is...

You find the tools you love to make your music, but anyone who can't understand that others might like something they don't are pretty short-sighted, imo...

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:33 pm

I know people's heads will explode but Analog (Subtractive) is not the zenith or pinnacle of synthesis. It's simply one form of synthesis that has been done to death. How many different ways do you need to make a Saw wave through a Low Pass Filter sound ? Or a Pulse or a Sine ? In a world of nearly infinite sample content why limit yourself to generated waves ? It's like driving a Ford Focus when you have a running Ferrari in the garage.

Anyway to those who understand Synthesis is much more than Analog, something like the JV-1080 is a breath of fresh air..........

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:40 pm

beely wrote:If you like the character of these Roland digital synths, there is nothing else that sounds the same in the box. For that alone, these plugins have merit.

Not everyone needs thick/fat/warm sound all the time - in fact, Roland's overriding sound character since the JP8 has been the ability to do thinner, cleaner, silkier sounds than your big fat American synths like Moogs/Overheims/SCIs etc

Excellent post.

KVR has become so myopic in it's definition of Synthesis that it fails to understand not everybody needs analog sounds all the time. There's a lot of great music that never got near a Saw Wave.

I'll say this again for everybody.....Every Rompler I've ever owned has some unique sample content that gives it character. Without that content you can not emulate them 100% any more than you can emulate a Juno 60 without a Saw wave.

Anyway plugins such as the JV-1080 have value to some people. Whether they have value to everybody is of no consequence.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:07 pm

No synthesis method is better than another in itself. I have a jd-990 & a JV-880 and I also have some analog synths

I could not say that one is better than the other.

However I know the difference between romplers and anlog synthesizers. Before and after they come out of my speakers.

Roland JV-1080 finally, as virtual instrument!