Roland JV-1080 finally, as virtual instrument!

[Frantz]

Some history about V.A. , because I think you're a youngster who has grown up with the latest crop of softsynths .

I am an oldster with a hardware JV-2080 right next to me.

Here's a sound file from th integra pcm engine ( same engine as the jv/xv range ..)
Which can be found in jv 1080/2080/xv3080/5080 /fantom range /integra /sonic cell etc...

Integra is a more recent product with improved filter modelling. You can't get sounds like that from an original JV-1080.

[gentleclockdivider]

Some history about V.A. , because I think you're a youngster who has grown up with the latest crop of softsynths .

I am an oldster with a hardware JV-2080 right next to me.

So you're an oldster claiming the jv is not a V.A. because it can't do resonace sweeps . (which it does btw)
Your right when saying it's not a V.A. but that is just becasue it has sample based osc's ,and with that comes less flexibility , nothing more

[Frantz]

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So you're an oldster claiming the jv is not a V.A. because it can't do resonace sweeps . (which it does btw)

The filters and resonance are basic and weak in the JV-1080 compared to state of the art VA (Monark / Repro5).

JV-1080 is from 1993. Your Roland Integra-7 samples are from 2012. That's a huge span of time in the digital world and Roland upgraded their filters considerably.

[Caine123]

I would love from roland how to create a patch from scratch! It looks so complex

[beely]

I would love from roland how to create a patch from scratch! It looks so complex

A patch has up to four tones. So choose tone 1, pick a waveform, filter settings, filter and amp eg, same as most synths.

Then you can choose to use a second tone, etc up to four, an choose your FX etc.

Once you break it down, it' not so hard - and you don't have to use all of the features.

Note, this style of programming, like the Wavestation, is a little different to more conventional subtractive synths - you build up the patch by layering, so it's a bit more "additive" (in terms of layers, not additive synthesis) than subtractive...

[gentleclockdivider]

Some history about V.A. , because I think you're a youngster who has grown up with the latest crop of softsynths .

I am an oldster with a hardware JV-2080 right next to me.

Here's a sound file from th integra pcm engine ( same engine as the jv/xv range ..)
Which can be found in jv 1080/2080/xv3080/5080 /fantom range /integra /sonic cell etc...

Integra is a more recent product with improved filter modelling. You can't get sounds like that from an original JV-1080.

Dude please , I have an integra , the pcm engine is exactly the same as in all previous romplers .
NOT the supernatural engine
Did you even read my post +sound examples ?
Those examples I have posted are 100 ´% old skool PCM engine ( and oldskool roland pcm filters ) , from the integra ..these filters are not updated , their maximum cut off frequency is still 11Khz
No supernatural synth tones .
The supernatural filters are indeed verry good but like I said ..these aren't used in the sound examples ...you can't even use them in the pcm engine only the supernatural synth engine
Oscilators are built in saw waves nr 538 ( p5 saw A)
Which proves my point that you either never had one or never delved into the depths of the pcm engine ...read again ..PCM engine ...NOT supernatural synth engine ..
LIke I said these sounds can be made on any roland rompler from the nineties .
I rest my case

[Ingonator]

Those examples I have posted are 100 ´% old skool PCM engine , from the integra ..No supernatural synth tones

Some videos about the PCM engine and JV-1080 patches in Integra-7:








Actually it is posible that the 1083 PCM waves in the JV-1080 plugin are not taken from XV-5080 but from the "INT" waveform bank in Integra-7.

[gentleclockdivider]

Those examples I have posted are 100 ´% old skool PCM engine , from the integra ..No supernatural synth tones

Some videos about the PCM engine and JV-1080 patches in Integra-7:








Actually it is posible that the 1083 PCM waves in the JV-1080 plugin are not taken from XV-5080 but from the "INT" waveform bank in Integra-7.

You're point being .
The xv and integra share the same basic ROM =1083 waves .
Why should it matter where the jv cloud took it's rom from .
It' probably a hard disk in a win 95 computer somewhere in rolads H.Q's ..it doesn't matter .

Those that have a jv or an integra or an xv rompler , and have actually delved into it , know what it is capable of with just dry osc's and the filters .
I am getting a bit tired off al those posts from those who get their info from the web and/or manuals but have no actual hands on experience , yet they claim they do .

[Ingonator]

Those that have a jv or an integra or an xv rompler , and have actually delved into it , know what it is capable of with just dry osc's and the filters .
I am getting a bit tired off al those posts from those who get their info from the web and/or manuals but have no actual hands on experience , yet they claim they do .

Well i had used the plugin since it was released and also created some of my own patches with it so i have an idea of what it is capable of. Many times i also mentioend that i like it as it is.

Besides that i had owned a XV-3080, JV-90 and also D-50 in the past while this is between 11 and 13 years ago now (and FWIW also owned a Jupiter 8 and MKS-80 back at that time...). It is hard to remember all details about features and sound after that long time.
When i owned the XV-3080 i was also not too much into programming it myself. Had a few expansion boards too including the vintage board (also used it with the JV-90). Programming is much more fun with the new plugin but i also have more experience with doing sound design since i had owned the XV-3080 and JV-90 long time ago.

Anyway even if the same samples are included with older and newer units the newer ones could be still a higher sample quality than the old ones.

[pixel85]

Soooooo does it sounds like hardware? Because till now not a single Rompler / Sample Library (maybe Keyscape but I havent touch it so idk) could come close to E.Pianos from JV1080. All of them are missing fullness of JV.
If it doesnt use original samples then I guess that it sound different but maybe still good. I never touched any other JV/XV so idk how much different they sound.
^ This is one of points why old Rompler/emulator can be still desired: because most of these new superior sounding romplers doesn't actually sound better at all, they're sterile and thin.

[Frantz]

Here's what JV-1080 filters actually sound like.

Acid Bass - Doesn't it sound exactly like a real 303?



Some patches which demonstrate it's crappy filter resonance:



Does that sound as good as the best current virtual analogs?

[gentleclockdivider]

I think you're just playing stupid or your a troll
That's a preset ...maybe with resonance/modulation already printed on..understand that ?

I showed you what it's capable of and then you come up with some dude playing a preset .
And no , the jv filter will NOT sound like a 303 , are you even amazed at that ...even if the patch is called 303
Oh well ..waste of energy .

[Frantz]

Tweaking the filters reveals additional crappy sounds on an actual JV-1080.

[gentleclockdivider]

listen dude I have an integra and used to have an xp 80 way way back .
Jv 1080 = xp 50

The pcm filters are the same

[fmr]

You're point being .
The xv and integra share the same basic ROM =1083 waves .
Why should it matter where the jv cloud took it's rom from .
It' probably a hard disk in a win 95 computer somewhere in rolads H.Q's ..it doesn't matter .

Those that have a jv or an integra or an xv rompler , and have actually delved into it , know what it is capable of with just dry osc's and the filters .
I am getting a bit tired off al those posts from those who get their info from the web and/or manuals but have no actual hands on experience , yet they claim they do .

The point is to say that, so far, the Roland Cloud (which is not Roland but a joint-venture) didn't exactly create anything from scratch, but rather took advantage of code existing in Roland models and are porting it to the desktop platforms. What each unit is capable of is not in dispute here. If anything, we are interested in trying to anticipate what can be the next. And that's why it is unlikely that a JX-10/JX8P or VP-330 may appear soon - because they would have to be written from scratch, and so far nothing was.

Why is this important? Because there are people here claiming for a D-50 or a JV-1080 (or something else) as plug-outs for System-8, when clearly:

1. They cannot be done for that platform (they are based in ROMS, and there is no way to store ROM sounds inside System-8, AFAIK).

2. It is not Roland Cloud responsibility to maintain the Plug-out ecosystem - that's Roland job.

Is that clear now?