Bitwig or Live?
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- KVRAF
- 2430 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA
They are both great. Choose one, stick with it. You can make great music with either one. Demo both to see which is the best fit for your style and workflow.
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- Banned
- 1779 posts since 26 Aug, 2012
Shit, Ableton is the greatest software ever designed.
It's revolutionary. Even when it was first released it was doing things other companies didn't have the imagination for. In 17 years it's development has surpassed anyone else. Others have attempted to keep up like in workflow and other areas of design like clips.. bitwig for example and even protools but have failed. I hear many complaints from bitwig users about how cluttered everything is and protools is just a joke.
An investment in Live is an investment in ease and compositions of greatness. You cannot beat it.
My only regret is it took me to 2014 to find it, so the 4 years before then was WASTED in protools and others. I would be a star now if I stumbled on it sooner, a f#cking star! I do not doubt that... When you're creating contemporary music EVERYTHING is the tools you are using. Great tools = great music. This is not merely a theory, it's fact. The greatest tool is Ableton. Everyone will tell you that. Logic and cubase are a close second. Research what the top producers in the world are using.
It's revolutionary. Even when it was first released it was doing things other companies didn't have the imagination for. In 17 years it's development has surpassed anyone else. Others have attempted to keep up like in workflow and other areas of design like clips.. bitwig for example and even protools but have failed. I hear many complaints from bitwig users about how cluttered everything is and protools is just a joke.
An investment in Live is an investment in ease and compositions of greatness. You cannot beat it.
My only regret is it took me to 2014 to find it, so the 4 years before then was WASTED in protools and others. I would be a star now if I stumbled on it sooner, a f#cking star! I do not doubt that... When you're creating contemporary music EVERYTHING is the tools you are using. Great tools = great music. This is not merely a theory, it's fact. The greatest tool is Ableton. Everyone will tell you that. Logic and cubase are a close second. Research what the top producers in the world are using.
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- Banned
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
I'm sure you would! LOLKinh wrote:An investment in Live is an investment in ease and compositions of greatness. You cannot beat it.
My only regret is it took me to 2014 to find it, so the 4 years before then was WASTED in protools and others. I would be a star now if I stumbled on it sooner, a f#cking star! I do not doubt that... When you're creating contemporary music EVERYTHING is the tools you are using. Great tools = great music. This is not merely a theory, it's fact. The greatest tool is Ableton. Everyone will tell you that. Logic and cubase are a close second. Research what the top producers in the world are using.
No, you're a tool - and I mean this literally, not as an insult.
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- Banned
- 1779 posts since 26 Aug, 2012
Not tool, a machine. And btw, i dont get insulted by little people so none taken.antic604 wrote:I'm sure you would! LOLKinh wrote:An investment in Live is an investment in ease and compositions of greatness. You cannot beat it.
My only regret is it took me to 2014 to find it, so the 4 years before then was WASTED in protools and others. I would be a star now if I stumbled on it sooner, a f#cking star! I do not doubt that... When you're creating contemporary music EVERYTHING is the tools you are using. Great tools = great music. This is not merely a theory, it's fact. The greatest tool is Ableton. Everyone will tell you that. Logic and cubase are a close second. Research what the top producers in the world are using.
No, you're a tool - and I mean this literally, not as an insult.
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- Banned
- 1779 posts since 26 Aug, 2012
Not tool, a machine. And btw, i dont get insulted by little people so none taken.antic604 wrote:I'm sure you would! LOLKinh wrote:An investment in Live is an investment in ease and compositions of greatness. You cannot beat it.
My only regret is it took me to 2014 to find it, so the 4 years before then was WASTED in protools and others. I would be a star now if I stumbled on it sooner, a f#cking star! I do not doubt that... When you're creating contemporary music EVERYTHING is the tools you are using. Great tools = great music. This is not merely a theory, it's fact. The greatest tool is Ableton. Everyone will tell you that. Logic and cubase are a close second. Research what the top producers in the world are using.
No, you're a tool - and I mean this literally, not as an insult.
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- KVRAF
- 2140 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA
The things that always bring me back to Live are the ease of audio warping and groove functionality. I'm unaware of any other DAW that has anything like the latter. My thing is playing and recording bass and guitar, with which I'm pretty facile. But I also input drum (with a Roland e-kit) and keyboard parts. Unfortunately, I'm not nearly as facile with those instruments and the Grooves (and very subtle tempo variations) allow me to impart just about any feel I want to them.
I put a scratch guitar down, work up the drum parts, find the right groove and apply it, then go on to recording serious tracks which are now much easier to get into because there's a nice feel already. I've created a host of grooves which can also be used to apply all sorts of musical effects such as crescendos, etc. And If I don't like the whole feel, it can be changed post facto.
It's certainly not as nice as having a great drummer and keyboardist, especially the lack musical collaboration aspect, but the whole groove thing delivers far more human-sound results than anything else I've tried.
Correcting timing mistakes using Live is far easier for me than with Bitwig. Primarily because you can simply ctrl-a/ctrl-i and create a warp marker for every transient. I can then adjust the large, easily grab-able warp markers on the fly as the music is playing. With Bitwig, you must enter the warp/stretch markers manually. You can enter them three at a time (the one to move and two to anchor the surrounding material), but they're smaller and harder to see (especially in 2.x). I find it to be a comparative pain in the posterior and much harder to visualize.
If this isn't what you do, then it's much tougher choice. I spent a lot of time with Bitwig and really loved it prior to 2.x. I'm not a fan of what they did with the interface in the cause of being touch-friendly. But the real reasons I use Live are those I stated above. In the end, for what I want do, which I've just described, Live gets me there a lot quicker. And because of the grooves, what I produce sounds better. To me at least.
I put a scratch guitar down, work up the drum parts, find the right groove and apply it, then go on to recording serious tracks which are now much easier to get into because there's a nice feel already. I've created a host of grooves which can also be used to apply all sorts of musical effects such as crescendos, etc. And If I don't like the whole feel, it can be changed post facto.
It's certainly not as nice as having a great drummer and keyboardist, especially the lack musical collaboration aspect, but the whole groove thing delivers far more human-sound results than anything else I've tried.
Correcting timing mistakes using Live is far easier for me than with Bitwig. Primarily because you can simply ctrl-a/ctrl-i and create a warp marker for every transient. I can then adjust the large, easily grab-able warp markers on the fly as the music is playing. With Bitwig, you must enter the warp/stretch markers manually. You can enter them three at a time (the one to move and two to anchor the surrounding material), but they're smaller and harder to see (especially in 2.x). I find it to be a comparative pain in the posterior and much harder to visualize.
If this isn't what you do, then it's much tougher choice. I spent a lot of time with Bitwig and really loved it prior to 2.x. I'm not a fan of what they did with the interface in the cause of being touch-friendly. But the real reasons I use Live are those I stated above. In the end, for what I want do, which I've just described, Live gets me there a lot quicker. And because of the grooves, what I produce sounds better. To me at least.
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- KVRAF
- 2765 posts since 15 Feb, 2017 from a worn out vinyl groove
Wow... I wonder how all the stars that have used ProTools and other DAWs have managed to become stars with out the use of Live...Kinh wrote: My only regret is it took me to 2014 to find it, so the 4 years before then was WASTED in protools and others. I would be a star now if I stumbled on it sooner, a f#cking star! I do not doubt that... When you're creating contemporary music EVERYTHING is the tools you are using. Great tools = great music. This is not merely a theory, it's fact. The greatest tool is Ableton. Everyone will tell you that. Logic and cubase are a close second. Research what the top producers in the world are using.
Oh I know>>> TALENT!!!!!!
BTW, I have heard real stars produce magical music even without the best tools (compared to today's tools)... think Frank Zappa... Beatles... Ella Fitzgerald... omg the list is so long.
Talking about tools>>>>
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- KVRAF
- 4083 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
Bitwig didn't copy the groove pool?
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- KVRAF
- 18492 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Price shouldn’t be that much of a concern. Think about it. The DAW is the cornerstone of your studio, why settle? If you can spend the extra, buy the one you want.
I just went from Live 9 to Bitwig 2. I’m still getting used to it, but I’m glad I made the change. Bitwig is perfect for using MPE compatable controllers, which is huge for me. I love my Roli Rise. That’s the main reason I switched, but now I find I don’t have to run my old plugins in jBridge, so that’s a bonus, and Bitwig’s modulation system was so good, I ended up selling my Deepmind 12 because now I can use my Tetras (or any hardware our software instrument) to do the types of sounds that I was using the Deepmind for. The Deepmind has really good effects integration, meaning you can do things like assign an LFO or Velocity to an effect parameter. Now I just do that with Bitwig and audio plugins like the Soundtoys bundle. I could do things like this in Live, but it was super clunky and often either involved M4L or tricky use of clips. How Bitwig handels this is brilliant.
I just went from Live 9 to Bitwig 2. I’m still getting used to it, but I’m glad I made the change. Bitwig is perfect for using MPE compatable controllers, which is huge for me. I love my Roli Rise. That’s the main reason I switched, but now I find I don’t have to run my old plugins in jBridge, so that’s a bonus, and Bitwig’s modulation system was so good, I ended up selling my Deepmind 12 because now I can use my Tetras (or any hardware our software instrument) to do the types of sounds that I was using the Deepmind for. The Deepmind has really good effects integration, meaning you can do things like assign an LFO or Velocity to an effect parameter. Now I just do that with Bitwig and audio plugins like the Soundtoys bundle. I could do things like this in Live, but it was super clunky and often either involved M4L or tricky use of clips. How Bitwig handels this is brilliant.
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- KVRAF
- 4339 posts since 20 Feb, 2004
The Beatles used Logic but then switched to Reaper.toonertik wrote:Wow... I wonder how all the stars that have used ProTools and other DAWs have managed to become stars with out the use of Live...Kinh wrote: My only regret is it took me to 2014 to find it, so the 4 years before then was WASTED in protools and others. I would be a star now if I stumbled on it sooner, a f#cking star! I do not doubt that... When you're creating contemporary music EVERYTHING is the tools you are using. Great tools = great music. This is not merely a theory, it's fact. The greatest tool is Ableton. Everyone will tell you that. Logic and cubase are a close second. Research what the top producers in the world are using.
Oh I know>>> TALENT!!!!!!
BTW, I have heard real stars produce magical music even without the best tools (compared to today's tools)... think Frank Zappa... Beatles... Ella Fitzgerald... omg the list is so long.
Talking about tools>>>>
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