Roland JV-1080 finally, as virtual instrument!

[Ingonator]

Hi, can you tell me more about Arturia DX 7 new functions?

I did not want to derail this thread so i sent a PM.

[Frantz]

This page goes into a lot of detail on differences between the Roland romplers: http://www.donsolaris.com/?p=404

Roland JV-1080 has a waveform set which is at 32 kHz. Its DAC runs at 32 kHz.

[gentleclockdivider]

The plugin's clip sounds a lot closer to the integra ( I recorded over usb ).
And since the integra pcm engine is basicaly an xv 5080 , we can wisely assume that the plugin is based on the xv 5080 .

So why the jv1080 gui one might ask ?
Marketing , I guess ..
Good to have this filter issue sorted out .
NOw , can someone post a clip ( see settings ) of the real deal 1080


The integra has fewer effects , no insert reverb , fewer pitch shift algoritms ( didn't the xv had a reverse pitch shift ?) , no sympathetic reso .effe , the list goes on.
And a bug in the supernatural reverb send system ( you can never get an 100 wet reverb signal )

[beely]

I'm really amazed they branded it the 1080, but didn't just stop at the 1080 feature set (or maybe the 2080).

The fact they've gone the extra effort to make this a much higher spec plugin than the 1080 is surprising to me, I never thought they'd go that far for fear of cannibalising their existing workstations. Props to Roland for this.

(Maybe I'll do an XV-5080 skin for it... - though there are a lot of graphics.)

Looks like the Waverom file is 33MB BTW, and interestingly, is named "InternalA.bin" - leaving room for more waverom files in the future - ie, the SR/SRX expansion boards, perhaps?

That they branded it the 1080 is as has been said, the JV-1080 brand is probably a more recognisable and familiar brand to most people.

[Ingonator]

This page goes into a lot of detail on differences between the Roland romplers: http://www.donsolaris.com/?p=404

I know about that website and this one about JD-990 is interesting too:
http://www.donsolaris.com/?p=952

Due to that the JD-800 seems to be inferior to the JD-990 and most ROMplers that followed the JD-800, at least in terms of features. The JV-1080 and later ROMplers incuded most of the features of the JD-990 and some additional ones while the advantage of the JD-990 seemed to be the samples quality, the quality of the filter and having Osc Sync.

The filter in the JV-1080 seems to be improved compared to the real JV-1080 so the advantage of the filter in the JD-800 and also JD-990 might be less obvious when compared to the new plugin.
As the JV-1080 plugin includes similar higher quality PCM waveforms as the XV-3080/5080 and Integra-7 the advanced sample quality of the JD-990 compared to the JV-1080 hardware no longer is a real advantage if we talk about the new plugin.

JD-990 only included around 192 waveforms while the new JV-1080 plugin includes 1083 which AFAIK also include the majority of the JD-990 waveforms.

A JD-990 feature that is really missing in the JD-800, later Roland ROMplers and also in the JV-1080 plugin is having Osc Sync.

[crystalmsc]

It's great to see all the the improvements and additional features, while providing the best JV experience. I didn't get the newer series, because to me the JD-990 and JV-1080 are the best sounding. I own the MC-909 for it's functionality, while it sounds great, the older modules have more liveness in their sound, including the SC-880 engine in my MC-80EX and the U-220. So, didn't expect the plugin to sound like the newer. I could be wrong, but the plugin feels more like the early JV, with the features of the newer XV which is a dream come true. There's something that I like about the JV-90, more open and rich sounding quality. I've wanted the JV-1080 to share a bit of that and finally have it in the plugin version. So, it's more JV than ever to me, the best from the series. With this kind of great improvements, it's exciting to see the XV-5080 (focusing on the SRX) and the Integra-7 (focusing on SuperNatural) plugins, with a possiblity to sound better than the hardware.

[Ingonator]

JD-990 only included around 192 waveforms while the new JV-1080 plugin includes 1083 which AFAIK also include the majority of the JD-990 waveforms.

Just had a look at the waveform list of the JD-990 and while some waveform names are slighty different i found around 170 of the 195 JD-990 PCM waves in the JV-1080 plugin PCM waveforms.
The fact that some waveforms of the JD-990 are missing is not a big issue as the plugin includes 913 additional waveforms besides those 170 that fit to the JD-990.

[beely]

The 5080 contains all the 990 waveforms, so it’s likely they are all there, just some have been renamed...

[sinemotor]

The 5080 contains all the 990 waveforms, so it’s likely they are all there, just some have been renamed...

oh! So I can program the JD Crystal Rhodes patch. Do you know which waveforms were used to create it by any chance ?

[beely]

The 5080 contains all the 990 waveforms, so it’s likely they are all there, just some have been renamed...

oh! So I can program the JD Crystal Rhodes patch. Do you know which waveforms were used to create it by any chance ?

I'm away from home for the holidays at the moment, but when I get back I'll be doing some comparisons with the hardware in order to narrow down exactly what the plugin is, etc.

You could always open that patch in an editor and see the waves used etc...

[sinemotor]

Not my video but here is a quick overview of some of the presets to get an idea of the sound.

[Frantz]

Due to that the JD-800 seems to be inferior to the JD-990 and most ROMplers that followed the JD-800, at least in terms of features. The JV-1080 and later ROMplers incuded most of the features of the JD-990 and some additional ones while the advantage of the JD-990 seemed to be the samples quality, the quality of the filter and having Osc Sync.

The filter in the JV-1080 seems to be improved compared to the real JV-1080 so the advantage of the filter in the JD-800 and also JD-990 might be less obvious when compared to the new plugin.

I have a JD-800 sitting in my attic. Its waveforms are clearly better than the JV-2080. They sound less muffled and Don Solaris' site confirms the JD-800 waveforms were sampled at 44.1K compared to the JV-1080/JV-2080 waveforms which were sampled at 32K to save memory.

I got the JD-800 first so I was very disappointed that the JV-2080, which came out later, clearly sounded worse. It was very frustrating trying to make music with that dull JV-2080 sound always present. It put me off Romplers for good.

The JD-800 filter was the same or possibly worse than the JV-2080. It came out in 1991 and predates the other synths under discussion.

It would be interesting to recreate the same patch on a JD-800 but I am not carrying that thing down from the attic and throwing my back out! I will only move that synth if the prices skyrocket on eBay and I want to sell it.

[Frantz]

Not my video but here is a quick overview of some of the presets to get an idea of the sound.

I see they maintained that rompler look including rack ears so I guess you can screw it into your DAW.

[Ingonator]

I just did an audio demo using a resonant sweep pad sound that i created with the JV-1080 plugin last week (with a few changes done in the last days):

JV-1080 plugin_IW - Resonant Sweep Pad 1 - Demo 1

At the beginning of the audio demo (in the first 39 seconds) the Modhweel was used to add LFO filter modulation and later aftertouch to add some vibrato (both added with the mod matrix in the plugin).
This demo was done using a single instance of the plugin and the only external FX used was a Limiter.

[Frantz]

I just did an audio demo using a resonant sweep pad sound that i created with the JV-1080 plugin last week (with a few changes done in the last days):

JV-1080 plugin_IW - Resonant Sweep Pad 1 - Demo 1

It's a good demo and it has enough happening to expose the weakness of the JV plugin filter. IMO that resonance is kind of gritty. I would much rather use Diva or Repro5 for analog-style pads like this.

At the beginning of the audio demo (in the first 39 seconds) the Modhweel was used to add LFO filter modulation

Which reminds me of PacMan dying.