Roland JV-1080 finally, as virtual instrument!

[Ingonator]

With the JV-1080 plugin I have created a lush strings pad using one of the "JP Strings" PCM waves, 4 detuned tones/layers (with help of the tone copy/paste feature) and a Bandpass filter (BPF) in all 4 tones.
A "chorus like" effect was done just with detuning the tones (one tone is an octave lower), a little panning in the TVAs and additionally using the "analog feel" parameter.
The only FX used is the built-in Plate Reverb besides an external Limiter FX from Live 9.

Here is the audio demo:
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Strings 1 - Demo 1



UPDATE:
This is a demo of the same patch where the sample in all 4 tones is exchanged with the "JV Strings L" and "JV Strings R" stereo samples that use a different sample for both stereo channels (in all 4 tones you got a selection for "L" =mono and "R" samples):
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Strings 2 - Demo 1

In the original JV-1080 2 tones seemed to be necessray to use the stereo samples in a similar way. In the plugin you could do that with a single tone and the dedicated L and R PCM waves selection (like in the XV-3080/5080).

Another demo of the same patch where the PCM wave in all 4 tones is exchanged with the "JP-8 Saw A" sawtoooth wave and the tones 2+3 are sligtly more detuned (all other parameters similar):
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Strings 3 - Demo 1

This is the same patch and sample used but a bigger detune amount used (without having an octave lower in tone 4) to get close to a "Supersaw" like sound:
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Supersaw 1 - Demo 1

Another demo with the same PCM wave as in the previous one but only the first tone/layer used:
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Strings 3 - Demo 2
This might give a good impression of what is possible with layering multiple detuned tones in the JV-1080 plugin. With the copy/paste feature for the tones this is very simple to do.




UPDATE:
To get a more typical digital sound i just replaced the PCM wave used in the previous demo (that with 4 detuned tones) with the "MK-80 EP A" E-Piano sample to create a "glassy" pad sound (other synth parameters similar to the previous demos including the bandpass filter):
JV-1080 plugin_IW - Glassy BP 1 - Demo 1

[Ingonator]

As i get more and more great results from the JV-1080 plugin and after we had already found that it is closer to more advanced ROMplers like e.g. XV-5080 i got again interested in Roland hardware including the Fantom G workstations (that are no longer available in shops).

After having sen a screenshot of it I have installed the Fantom G editor and had a closer look at the synth engine.

Overall both the features of the sound engine and also the design of the GUI of the editor are identical to the JV-1080 plugin. This also includes the filter modes in Fantom G editor that are identical with the JV-1080 plugin.

Bigger differences are found with the sample set in the Fantom G that is not really similar to the JV-1080 plugin while many of those samples are also included with Fantom G (have not checked how many).

Concerning the FXs while the Fantom G offers more FX busses each of the MFX sections in Fantom G includes 78 FXs identical to the JV-1080 plugin. Just a few FXs have a different number than in the Fantom X and the JV-1080 plugin. The categories to which the 78 FXs are sorted are similar in Fantom G and the JV-1080 plugin.

UPDATE:
Here are screenshots of the Common/Structures, WGa nd TVF edit pages in the Fantom G editor:






Those who got the JV-1080 plugin should see how similar the GUI of the Fantom G esitor is to this.
This is a screenshot of the WG edit page in the plugin:

[gentleclockdivider]

Well of course it's similar , it's because it's the same old pcm engine Roland have used for over almost 20 years ( and some minor updates ) .
Also the pcm engine can still be found in Roland'sr cheapo plastic fa range workstations .
I went for the integra , great acoustic instruments n full pcm engine and supernatural synth ( limited compared to pcm but better filters )
The benefit of the integra is the inclusion of all the srx boards , you get a huge library of usefull wave rom , I don't care about presets ...but the raw waveform data from synths of yesteryear ( ultimate keys srx 7 ) is staggering .
If you go for a phantom , be prepared to shell out 200 euro for an srx board
I asked on gearslutz for someone to post a resonance sweep from his jd 990 ,
Damn , damn , that's a nice soundng filter ,it beats both the jv range /vx and integra ( pcm part )
IMHO , the most analogue sounding digital filter , maximum limit is around 12 khz ; but boy .;it sounds juicy .


The supernatural filters in my integra sound equally as good , but it's too bad they can't be used inside the pcm engine .
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... st13043029

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[Ingonator]

Posting those screenshots was not just about the fact that except different sample sets the synth engine of the JV-1080 plugin is identical to the Fantom G (which seemed to be the last real "flagship" workstation from Roland) but also that the GUI of the plugin in most parts is identical to the Fantom G editor.

[gentleclockdivider]

Wasn't that issue settled a couple of pages ago ?
That the jv is in fact based on the newer pcm engines .
Take everything that Roland says with a big bag of salt , it's part of their marketing campaign .
Jv 1080 DCM ( digital circuit behaviour ) , only fools and roland fanboys would believe that ( not pointing at you in particular ) , and every time they get away with it .
Still , the pcm engine , be it jv/xv/ whatever ,,is a fine sound designing tool

[gentleclockdivider]

Wasn't that issue settled a couple of pages ago ?
That the jv is in fact based on the newer pcm engines .
Take everything that Roland says with a big bag of salt , it's part of their marketing campaign .
Jv 1080 DCM ( digital circuit behaviour ) , only fools and roland fanboys would believe that ( not pointing at you in particular ) , and every time they get away with it .
Still , the pcm engine , be it jv/xv/ whatever ,,is a fine sound designing tool

[Ingonator]

Well, today i was interested in the Fantom G hardware, found a screenshot of the editor that looked close to the GUI of the JV-1080 plugin, downloaded and installed the editor, took screenshots and posted them here with a few comments.

Of course i already know that the engine of the JV-1080 plugin is not really an exact copy of the JV-1080 hardware. IIRC i was one of the first here that found that the plugin is closer to the modern Roland ROMplers (including e.g. XV-5080) than to the original JV-1080 hardware.

[sinemotor]

If you go for a phantom , be prepared to shell out 200 euro for an srx board
I asked on gearslutz for someone to post a resonance sweep from his jd 990 ,
Damn , damn , that's a nice soundng filter ,it beats both the jv range /vx and integra ( pcm part )
IMHO , the most analogue sounding digital filter , maximum limit is around 12 khz ; but boy .;it sounds juicy.

Well speaking of HW... instead of the Fantom, I would invest in their Juno-DS line. You don't get the supernatural engine unlike the FA/Integra but have a 600 bucks PCM synth with 2500+ waveforms (all the Juno-Di, XV-5080 and new ones), you can download all XV patches and all SRX expansions for free from their axial website or import your own samples. Integra 7 is dope though.

[Ingonator]

With the JV-1080 plugin I have created a lush strings pad using one of the "JP Strings" PCM waves, 4 detuned tones/layers (with help of the tone copy/paste feature) and a Bandpass filter (BPF) in all 4 tones.
A "chorus like" effect was done just with detuning the tones (one tone is an octave lower), a little panning in the TVAs and additionally using the "analog feel" parameter.
The only FX used is the built-in Plate Reverb besides an external Limiter FX from Live 9.

Here is the audio demo:
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Strings 1 - Demo 1



UPDATE:
This is a demo of the same patch where the sample in all 4 tones is exchanged with the "JV Strings L" and "JV Strings R" stereo samples that use a different sample for both stereo channels (in all 4 tones you got a selection for "L" =mono and "R" samples):
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Strings 2 - Demo 1

In the original JV-1080 2 tones seemed to be necessray to use the stereo samples in a similar way. In the plugin you could do that with a single tone and the dedicated L and R PCM waves selection (like in the XV-3080/5080).

Another demo of the same patch where the PCM wave in all 4 tones is exchanged with the "JP-8 Saw A" sawtoooth wave and the tones 2+3 are sligtly more detuned (all other parameters similar):
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Strings 3 - Demo 1

This is the same patch and sample used but a bigger detune amount used (without having an octave lower in tone 4) to get close to a "Supersaw" like sound:
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Supersaw 1 - Demo 1

Another demo with the same PCM wave as in the previous one but only the first tone/layer used:
JV-1080 plugin_IW - BP Strings 3 - Demo 2
This might give a good impression of what is possible with layering multiple detuned tones in the JV-1080 plugin. With the copy/paste feature for the tones this is very simple to do.


UPDATE:
To get a more typical digital sound i just replaced the PCM wave used in the previous demo (that with 4 detuned tones) with the "MK-80 EP A" E-Piano sample to create a "glassy" pad sound (other synth parameters similar to the previous demos including the bandpass filter):
JV-1080 plugin_IW - Glassy BP 1 - Demo 1

I quoted the previous demos as most of them represent a kind of "evolution" towards a new patch that i just created based on the patch in the the last audio demo that i posted here (which was based on the "MK-80 EP A" E-Piano sample).

Before i explain the changes here is the audio demo of the new patch:
JV-1080 plugin_IW - Glassy BP 2 - Demo 1

The new patch uses the same sample as the previous one but this time for the first two tones/layers i used a more complex "structure" with a serial routing of the filters of both tones and additional ring modulation. The filters in tones 1 + 2 were changed to HPF and LPF modes while those in the tones 3 + 4 remained at the BPF mode. Here is a sceenshot of the structures used for the patch:


FXs used are built-in Reverb and Chorus FXs plus an external Limiter (from Live 9).
A small amount of vibrato was added to the patch (more of it is available with Modwheel and aftertouch).

[fmr]

Nice sound Ingo. I like particularly the fact that the higher sound appears with a little delay, sounding as a kind of harmonic of the lower sound. A long way from the first sound posted - it's also interesting listening and watching on the successive stages that led to this last one.

[Shiek927]

Beautiful sounds! I'd love other users to post their creations as well

[zerocrossing]

Absolutely interested in the JV-1080 plugin. Absolutely not interested in the Roland Cloud.

Yeah, I tried it for a few months and it was such a PITA. I seemed to constantly have to log in to get my plugins working and it was always having to update something. I like to authorize a plugin and be done with it. Maybe install an update every once and a while.

The truth is, there are great alternatives for every single Roland Cloud offering that are just better in nearly every way. Better UI design, more optimized code, better preset management, etc. Roland got the sound right, I’ll give them that, but they really need to step up their game before they’ll take more money from me.

IMO, what made the JV-1080 great was Eric Pershing and I have his genius in droves in his current instruments. (Omnisphere 2, Stylus RMX) Some sense of nostalgia might make me interested in a 1080 emulation... but that sense is very weak. I’d probably pay $79 for an instrument like that, but no more, and definitely not in some monthly installment scheme.

[Shiek927]

Have to say, (unscientifically) flipping between the JV-1080 plugin and the XV-5080 (digital I/O) on the same presets when level matched, there is hardly much difference at all.

Which is pretty amazing.

Edit: (Disclaimer: Non scientific observational test at this point)
So, on headphones, the plugin and the 5080 via digi i/o sound identical to me - I can't tell them apart, comparing presets. I've found one preset that had a different delay setting (a longer delay) than the same preset on the plugin, which was shorter/faster.

All the FX, distortions, reverbs etc in the patches that I've tried sound identical.

Given that it sounds the same digitally as the XV-5080, has all the 5080 waveforms and most of the FX (I haven't checked these in detail yet, though the list in the plugin appears to be a bit different to the 5080), we can say that the plugin is in fact more or less a 5080-spec instrument, at least, and therefore sounds *better* than the original JV-1080 which had lower quality waves.

Things the plugin *doesn't* have compared to the hardware include:

- Performance/Multi mode (you can layer multiple instances via your host for this, but obviously can't directly use the multi presets)

- The ability to load your own samples (my XV-5080 has 128MB sample ram) and to use your own samples and/or Roland/Akai format libraries - this is a cool 5080 feature - so you could, for example, run your own audio through the FX, or load up your 5080 with eg Korg Wavestation waves and run them through the Roland engine.

- The ability to use expansions (though these are still expensive to buy and are of questionable value) - although maybe that might come to the plugin in the future.

I think it's extremely likely we'll see the expansions given how much demand there is. Roland Cloud seems to noticeably listen closely to subscribers considering plugins like the D-50 and JV-1080 came directly from popular demand.

Crossing my fingers we'll see the JD-800/JD-990 and MKS-70 analog synth. I'm not as familiar with the V-Synth, but it seems to have some great sounds as well :3.

[Ingonator]

The JV-1080 plugin does not offer Multi programs but with multiple instances in your DAW this is no big issue.
I just created an audio demo with a "spontaneous improvistation" where i used a layer of 3 instances of the JV-1080 plugin with my own patches. Two of them were alraedy posted as single demos including the last one posted above.
The 3rd patch is a "Supersaw" like polysynth sound i created yesterday (again using 4 detuned tones) whcih has a Delay FX added.

This is is the demo:
JV-1080 plugin_IW - 3 Layers Demo 1

The 3 patches do use built-in Reverb, Chorus and Delay FXs, the only external FX used was a Limiter (from Live 9) placed at the master bus.

[robotmonkey]

Overall both the features of the sound engine and also the design of the GUI of the editor are identical to the JV-1080 plugin. This also includes the filter modes in Fantom G editor that are identical with the JV-1080 plugin.

This is it. I knew the JV-1080 gui seemed uncannily familiar in somewhat bad sense. Like a very 90's design.