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neverwhere2410 · Post by **neverwhere2410** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:23 am

sonicpowa wrote:Update for my previous post: The more I use Studio One the more I´m amazed by what it can do. Actually I think it´s better than Sonar for a lot of things, I think I should have jumped on board sooner, but I went for the lifetime membership with Sonar. I really like their (PreSonus) vision and planning, I´m not surpriced if we wait a few more years and then it´s the gold standard of DAWs.

I'm with you. I've written most of a new song in Studio One so far and have the bones of a 2nd one coming together. Doing my writing primarily on hardware synths with midi for initial arrangement; it's been so easy to adjust to everything and just write. I've been kicking myself for not looking at this before paying for the Sonar lifetime deal. The only thing I'm missing from Sonar is ripple editing and we didn't have that for very long anyway, I can wait for presonus to eventually add something similar in a later update. It's such an incredibly well thought out program.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:56 am

neverwhere2410 wrote:
sonicpowa wrote:Update for my previous post: The more I use Studio One the more I´m amazed by what it can do. Actually I think it´s better than Sonar for a lot of things, I think I should have jumped on board sooner, but I went for the lifetime membership with Sonar. I really like their (PreSonus) vision and planning, I´m not surpriced if we wait a few more years and then it´s the gold standard of DAWs.
I'm with you. I've written most of a new song in Studio One so far and have the bones of a 2nd one coming together. Doing my writing primarily on hardware synths with midi for initial arrangement; it's been so easy to adjust to everything and just write. I've been kicking myself for not looking at this before paying for the Sonar lifetime deal. The only thing I'm missing from Sonar is ripple editing and we didn't have that for very long anyway, I can wait for presonus to eventually add something similar in a later update. It's such an incredibly well thought out program.

Studio One isn't perfect, the programmers do unwittingly bugger things up on occasion between major releases. Fortunately, you can continue with the last stable version if things become intolerable or you have low confidence with the problems some users have and you're not seeing them. It's more inconvenient if your half way through a song and then discover a critical bug. If you've started a song, finish it in the version you have and are happy with, don't carry it over. If a new update comes out, either wait till others have tested it and reported or test the software properly to make sure everything is working as it should, for the things that are important to you. I've been using Studio One from version 2.56 from Nov 2014 to the latest version 3.54 of the present.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:52 am

SJ_Digriz wrote:
lingyai wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:So I see Cubase, Studio One and Digital Performer are offering special crossgrades. Did I miss anyone?

Mixcraft
OH yeah, them too .. thanks

Samplitude

bobhva · Post by **bobhva** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:58 pm

What's next (for me)? I'm sure many of you have been holding your breath waiting for this post.

For the last 2+ years I have been learning about music, production, etc. with Sonar as my main DAW. When I originally heard the news about Cakewalk being closed I was disappointed, mad and lost all at the same time. I decided that since this is purely a hobby for me I would just stick with Sonar and ride it out as long as possible. After having some time to think it over I am still disappointed, but after looking at my options I am good now with my new setup/strategy. Not long after I got Sonar Steam edition I got Professional and eventually Platinum (with lifetime updates of course). Somewhere in there I also bought Live 9.x.x and these were my 2 music making programs. My usage was eventually Sonar 98% vs Live 2%. I soon decided that relying on a DAW with such an uncertain future wasn't a good idea even though this is just a hobby - while I don't plan on pretending to be a musician or producer I do enjoy fiddling about with my noise making toys. I started looking very closely at the other DAWs out there and after weighing all the options I decided to try the PreSonus Studio One 3.5 demo. After 2 years of pretty much only Sonar I was a little overwhelmed at first but rather quickly I started to like the way S1 works as it was strangely familiar to me. I did a lot of research on most of the major DAWs available and I will be honest, my biggest deciding factor at this time was budget with feature set being a close second. As I spend more time with S1 I like it more and more. I find S1 very easy to just do what I want to do in a very intuitive way. Only time will tell how Studio One works out for me and I am not saying all Sonar user should definitely go the same route as I have chose as everyone is different. I was just sharing my story of what the OP asked for. I now have 3 music programs for the time being and more than likely unless some miracle happens for Cakewalk I will eventually phase out Sonar and have the new ratio be Studio One 95% vs Live 5%.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:39 pm

bobhva wrote:What's next (for me)? I'm sure many of you have been holding your breath waiting for this post. For the last 2+ years I have been learning about music, production, etc. with Sonar as my main DAW. When I originally heard the news about Cakewalk being closed I was disappointed, mad and lost all at the same time. I decided that since this is purely a hobby for me I would just stick with Sonar and ride it out as long as possible. After having some time to think it over I am still disappointed, but after looking at my options I am good now with my new setup/strategy. Not long after I got Sonar Steam edition I got Professional and eventually Platinum (with lifetime updates of course). Somewhere in there I also bought Live 9.x.x and these were my 2 music making programs. My usage was eventually Sonar 98% vs Live 2%.

I soon decided that relying on a DAW with such an uncertain future wasn't a good idea even though this is just a hobby - while I don't plan on pretending to be a musician or producer I do enjoy fiddling about with my noise making toys. I started looking very closely at the other DAWs out there and after weighing all the options I decided to try the PreSonus Studio One 3.5 demo. After 2 years of pretty much only Sonar I was a little overwhelmed at first but rather quickly I started to like the way S1 works as it was strangely familiar to me. I did a lot of research on most of the major DAWs available and I will be honest, my biggest deciding factor at this time was budget with feature set being a close second.

As I spend more time with S1 I like it more and more. I find S1 very easy to just do what I want to do in a very intuitive way. Only time will tell how Studio One works out for me and I am not saying all Sonar user should definitely go the same route as I have chose as everyone is different. I was just sharing my story of what the OP asked for. I now have 3 music programs for the time being and more than likely unless some miracle happens for Cakewalk I will eventually phase out Sonar and have the new ratio be Studio One 95% vs Live 5%.

It's a nice choice, you'll be up making tracks within minutes, there are many aspects which are there that you'll probably rarely if ever use like Macro's but they are there if you need them, so you've got that added depth if you want it.

Studio One is in a nice position, able to take on new idea's and idea's from other daws, without being held back by old legacy code, whilst allowing for additional refinement and updates to be created universally across the application. It will be interesting how 4.0 does this, whilst keeping the streamlined workflow as high as it is. I moved from Reason 7 rather than Sonar, and whilst v2.6 didn't appeal with the gray gui, I did begin to over look that and made more of it's features..6 months later 3.0 came out and I was well chuffed

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:45 pm

bobhva wrote:I soon decided that relying on a DAW with such an uncertain future wasn't a good idea even though this is just a hobby - while I don't plan on pretending to be a musician or producer I do enjoy fiddling about with my noise making toys. I started looking very closely at the other DAWs out there and after weighing all the options I decided to try the PreSonus Studio One 3.5 demo. After 2 years of pretty much only Sonar I was a little overwhelmed at first but rather quickly I started to like the way S1 works as it was strangely familiar to me. I did a lot of research on most of the major DAWs available and I will be honest, my biggest deciding factor at this time was budget with feature set being a close second. As I spend more time with S1 I like it more and more. I find S1 very easy to just do what I want to do in a very intuitive way.

I am also a hobbyist music creator who recently switched from Sonar Platinum to Studio One 3 Pro and have had a similar experience. However, Tracktion 7/Waveform 8 had already surpassed Sonar for me as my primary DAW, and I was also dabbling with FL Studio 12 during that time as well. So having experience with all three of those DAWs (Sonar, Waveform, FL Studio) has well prepared me for a transition to Studio One.

progtronic · Post by **progtronic** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:28 am

Had been a Sonar user since 8.5 (what a freaking buggy mess that was...). Kept current with cheap(ish) updates anyway. X series was promising, but still buggy as hell. Figured I'd invest in the lifetime update (I'm a sucker...), in order to at least have it as a backup DAW if I needed it.

Discovered Studio One, back when I was just about going crazy.. still trying to deal with Sonar 8.5. Two weeks into the S1 demo, I decided to pull the trigger. Been really happy with it ever since. It's not perfect.. but it's a lot better, and shows more promise than any of the previous DAWs I've personally used.. including Reason, ProTools, Reaper, etc...

I'd like to try Live, but the Suite is way out of my price range (even at the current sales price). If it ever goes to 50+% off, I'll consider it.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:43 am

So, looks like Studio One is a popular choice for people who used to use Sonar.

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:47 am

progtronic wrote:Figured I'd invest in the lifetime update (I'm a sucker...)

I was a sucker, too; my Cakewalk purchasing history traces all the way back to Cakewalk Professional for Windows 1.0.

I dig your instrumental electro-metal tunes. Fantastic stuff!

Obvious561 · Post by **Obvious561** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:09 am

chk071 wrote:So, looks like Studio One is a popular choice for people who used to use Sonar.

+1. Studio One is a really great alternative, the workflow is smooth and natural.

beatmangler443 · Post by **beatmangler443** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:54 pm

If you are going from Sonar to Studio One please try the demo. Some have not tried the demo and have gotten mad because S1 doesn't have something that studio one has. It has it's own workflow and you will have to adapt to what PreSonus is doing. Studio One is Studio One it's not Sonar.

bobhva · Post by **bobhva** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:14 pm

beatmangler443 wrote:If you are going from Sonar to Studio One please try the demo. Some have not tried the demo and have gotten mad because S1 doesn't have something that studio one has. It has it's own workflow and you will have to adapt to what PreSonus is doing. Studio One is Studio One it's not Sonar.

Umm... S1 is short for Studio One - or at least I thought it was. I purchased PreSonus Studio One Professional 3.5 and coming from Sonar I am very happy with my decision to purchase it. I think the "workflow" is fairly similar to Sonar or at least close enough that I haven't had any issues making the transition. I agree that you should try the demo first, but that goes for any program.

acoustica · Post by **acoustica** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:26 pm

Please note that Acoustica has extended the $99 Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio Crossgrade offer exclusively for SONAR users thru January 31. Please visit the www.acoustica.com website to complete and submit the crossgrade form here https://www.acoustica.com/sonar-crossgrade.php

Best Regards,
Anthony Conte
VP of Sales
Acoustica, Inc.

Mystic · Post by **Mystic** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:37 am

beatmangler443 wrote:If you are going from Sonar to Studio One please try the demo. Some have not tried the demo and have gotten mad because S1 doesn't have something that studio one has. It has it's own workflow and you will have to adapt to what PreSonus is doing. Studio One is Studio One it's not Sonar.

Sadly that is going to happen when you have the marketing vultures circling and trying to make a quick grab for people who are in panic. These other DAW companies that threw themselves into the mix with offers to nab up Sonar users are the large contributors to the problem. Not sure what they expected would happen. Maybe that Sonar users would buy their products and see how great their products were even though it didn't work like their previous software? Lack of realistic foresight there.

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:20 pm

Oh geez. The "vultures" made an offer, they didn't force anyone to buy. Anyone who buys without trying an available demo pretty much deserves what they get. Regardless, what they'll get in this day and age is a very competent DAW no matter what they buy. There is no problem.

Cakewalk Sonar Refuges: what's next?