Roland JV-1080 finally, as virtual instrument!

[Astralp]

I'd personally prefer an accurate JD-800 with a 990 mode, I've never used the 990 but I have been hoping for an accurate JD-800 for years. It will definitely get me on the cloud for a year.

Does anyone know what the copy protection will be on the product you 'own' after a year? Hopefully it will not use the same weekly authorization system.

[egbert101]

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[EvilDragon]

I'd personally prefer an accurate JD-800 with a 990 mode, I've never used the 990 but I have been hoping for an accurate JD-800 for years. It will definitely get me on the cloud for a year.

Does anyone know what the copy protection will be on the product you 'own' after a year? Hopefully it will not use the same weekly authorization system.

JD-990 can do EVERYTHING JD-800 does. Plus more. There's no need to have a special "mode" for it...

[Astralp]

I'd personally prefer an accurate JD-800 with a 990 mode, I've never used the 990 but I have been hoping for an accurate JD-800 for years. It will definitely get me on the cloud for a year.

Does anyone know what the copy protection will be on the product you 'own' after a year? Hopefully it will not use the same weekly authorization system.

JD-990 can do EVERYTHING JD-800 does. Plus more. There's no need to have a special "mode" for it...

I was under the impression that samples were a higher bit depth or sample rate? That' perhaps unimportant to the sound though as long as the filter is identical.

[fmr]

How many Roland synths are left? I know people are expecting 100+ synths in order to get imaginary value from the Roland cloud, but what they have pretty much covers it. Sure, an Alpha Juno and a TB-303, another TR-808 clone, we're running out of synths guys.

Out of synths? Are you joking?

Let's see... Analog polyphonics: Jupiter-4, Jupiter-8 (ALREADY DONE), Juno-6/Juno-60, JX-3P, Jupiter-6, Juno-106 (ALREADY DONE), JX-8P/JX-10; MKS-80 (different from both Jupiter-8 and Jupiter-6). We can argue that the Juno-6/Juno-60 is already covered with the Juno-106, but then, why do we have a SH-101, an SH-2 and a Promars?

Digital synths (just those that I think are important right now, since most of them are variations): JD-800/JD-990; V-Synth; (some synth that supports the Super Natural sounds).

Samplers (Roland could very well lauch an emulation of it's samplers, at least the top of the line S-770).

I think with just half of dozen picked from those listed above, they woud already have work for at least two or three years. And I didn't mention any TR... (because those really don't interest me).

Oh... we also have the modular systems (System-100 and System-700).

And beely beat me...

[beely]

BTW, regarding the JV-1080 plugin. Choosing a waveform is a fecking chore, with all those menus.

*Tell* me about it! This was the one thing I hated about their otherwise great XV-5080 editor software. You couldn't just increment/decrement waveforms, but you had to go through that same awful menu to choose a waveform every time.

And the plugin is the same.

[beely]

Does anyone know what the copy protection will be on the product you 'own' after a year? Hopefully it will not use the same weekly authorization system.

We don't know yet, but I expect it would stay the same system - only this time, the cloud server would return "authorised" even if you don't have a currently active subscription for each plugin you "own"...

[EvilDragon]

I'd personally prefer an accurate JD-800 with a 990 mode, I've never used the 990 but I have been hoping for an accurate JD-800 for years. It will definitely get me on the cloud for a year.

Does anyone know what the copy protection will be on the product you 'own' after a year? Hopefully it will not use the same weekly authorization system.

JD-990 can do EVERYTHING JD-800 does. Plus more. There's no need to have a special "mode" for it...

I was under the impression that samples were a higher bit depth or sample rate? That' perhaps unimportant to the sound though as long as the filter is identical.

Nope. Both JD-800 and JD-990 are 44.1k, companded 16-bit into 8-bit.

[chroma]

Are any of the effects in there separate yet, or only in the synths? I'd love a separate Dimension-D, and something that can do the SE-70 sound would be cool too.....

[robotmonkey]

How many Roland synths are left? I know people are expecting 100+ synths in order to get imaginary value from the Roland cloud, but what they have pretty much covers it. Sure, an Alpha Juno and a TB-303, another TR-808 clone, we're running out of synths guys.

Out of synths? Are you joking?

Let's see... Analog polyphonics: Jupiter-4, Jupiter-8 (ALREADY DONE), Juno-6/Juno-60, JX-3P, Jupiter-6, Juno-106 (ALREADY DONE), JX-8P/JX-10; MKS-80 (different from both Jupiter-8 and Jupiter-6). We can argue that the Juno-6/Juno-60 is already covered with the Juno-106, but then, why do we have a SH-101, an SH-2 and a Promars?

Digital synths (just those that I think are important right now, since most of them are variations): JD-800/JD-990; V-Synth; (some synth that supports the Super Natural sounds).

Samplers (Roland could very well lauch an emulation of it's samplers, at least the top of the line S-770).

I think with just half of dozen picked from those listed above, they woud already have work for at least two or three years. And I didn't mention any TR... (because those really don't interest me).

Oh... we also have the modular systems (System-100 and System-700).

And beely beat me...

I'm not sure weather it will be as rosy as you think. There's no point in making every similar synth as different plugin. When you exclude architecturally similar synths, then there wont be that many left.

Interesting things left from Roland lineup are V-Synth, S-770 sampler, V-Drums Drum module, and organ module and that's it.

I'm sure that soon enough most of the content added to Roland Cloud will be ho-hum sample libraries of pianos and such.

[fmr]

How many Roland synths are left? I know people are expecting 100+ synths in order to get imaginary value from the Roland cloud, but what they have pretty much covers it. Sure, an Alpha Juno and a TB-303, another TR-808 clone, we're running out of synths guys.

Out of synths? Are you joking?

Let's see... Analog polyphonics: Jupiter-4, Jupiter-8 (ALREADY DONE), Juno-6/Juno-60, JX-3P, Jupiter-6, Juno-106 (ALREADY DONE), JX-8P/JX-10; MKS-80 (different from both Jupiter-8 and Jupiter-6). We can argue that the Juno-6/Juno-60 is already covered with the Juno-106, but then, why do we have a SH-101, an SH-2 and a Promars?

Digital synths (just those that I think are important right now, since most of them are variations): JD-800/JD-990; V-Synth; (some synth that supports the Super Natural sounds).

Samplers (Roland could very well lauch an emulation of it's samplers, at least the top of the line S-770).

I think with just half of dozen picked from those listed above, they woud already have work for at least two or three years. And I didn't mention any TR... (because those really don't interest me).

Oh... we also have the modular systems (System-100 and System-700).

And beely beat me...

I'm not sure weather it will be as rosy as you think. There's no point in making every similar synth as different plugin. When you exclude architecturally similar synths, then there wont be that many left.

Interesting things left from Roland lineup are V-Synth, S-770 sampler, V-Drums Drum module, and organ module and that's it.

I'm sure that soon enough most of the content added to Roland Cloud will be ho-hum sample libraries of pianos and such.

I don't think that the Jupiter-4, Jupiter-6 and JX-10, for example, are at all similar. Even the Jupiter-6 is different enough from the Jupiter-8 to justify its existence. From that POV, then all labels have likewise similar synths, and yet I see people demanding synth A, B or C when they already have emulations of synths very close. And what to say about the Minimoog?

So, we already have four synths. Add to that the V-Synth and the S-770 and we raise that count to six. As I said, this would be enough to keep the programmers occupied for two years.

And we also have the Roland Modular systems. An emulation of the System-700 or the System-100m (or both), with all the modules available and polyphonic, would be quite interesting, IMO. And the V-Drum (I agree) and an organ module (and why not a virtual V-Piano?).

And all the TR/TB line (although it doesn't interest me, there are plenty of people interested in it, I guess.

Not to mention that nothing prevents them of launching upgrades from any of the existing synths, like for example extra modules (like a sequencer, extra oscillators and filers, etc.) for the System-100, and give some extra features to the Juno-60 or Jupiter-8.

So, IMO Roland Cloud still has a vast territory to explore, before turning into sample libraries. Actually, if they go that path before creating a really good colection, they will lose customers, IMO. Subscription system has its cons to them too, and one of them is being forced to keep adding interesting content to subscribers, to keep the older ones while getting more.

[Ingonator]

Another Roland module that easily seems to be forgotten about is the Sonic Cell from 2007 which could be also used as an USB audio interface:
https://www.roland.com/us/products/soniccell/

The engine seems to be like a Fantom XR rack but without the arpeggiator.

Compared to the JV-1080 plugin it has an identical PCM engine (like with most of those Roland ROMplers as XV-5080 and later ones...) and similar FXs while the sample set is like that in Fantom X which is a bit different.

I also had a look at the editor where the GUI design is more or less similar to that of the Fantom G editor and also to the design of the JV-1080 plugin.

Both the Fantom G and Sonic Cell editor are also available as a 32-bit VST2 plugin. When suing Sonic Cell as an audio interface it seems to be posible to use audio via USB.

[fmr]

Both the Fantom G and Sonic Cell editor are also available as a 32-bit VST2 plugin. When suing Sonic Cell as an audio interface it seems to be posible to use audio via USB.

It is. I have one of those (I bought it exactly because it can act as both an audio and MIDI interface, and also as a sound module). It is connected to my iMac. Is not the best audio interface available, and if we have a crash, it's gone until we, at least disconnect and reconnect again the USB cable, and we cannot have really low latencies, but it gets the job done within its limits.

I have to confess that I didn't explore the sound engine, because I use it mainly as a GM2 sound module (shame on me - I never realized that it was comparable to a Fantom X - is it, really?). The plug-in editor doesn't work very well in Windows, and doesn't work at all in Mac OS X. It's one of those cases where Roland dropped support way too soon (basically as soon as they discontinued it), and never fully released the software as it should.

[Ingonator]

Both the Fantom G and Sonic Cell editor are also available as a 32-bit VST2 plugin. When suing Sonic Cell as an audio interface it seems to be posible to use audio via USB.

It is. I have one of those (I bought it exactly because it can act as both an audio and MIDI interface, and also as a sound module). It is connected to my iMac. Is not the best audio interface available, and if we have a crash, it's gone until we, at least disconnect and reconnect again the USB cable, and we cannot have really low latencies, but it gets the job done within its limits.

I have to confess that I didn't explore the sound engine, because I use it mainly as a GM2 sound module (shame on me - I never realized that it was comparable to a Fantom X - is it, really?). The plug-in editor doesn't work very well in Windows, and doesn't work at all in Mac OS X. It's one of those cases where Roland dropped support way too soon (basically as soon as they discontinued it), and never fully released the software as it should.

In Sonic Cell the PCM engine and FXs seem to be identical to Fantom X (and also identical to the JV-1080 plugin). The sample set while it has a few additional samples overall seems to be mostly that from the Fantom X. The module also has 128 voices and 2 SRX expansion slots.
While i do not have the hardware the Sonic Cell 32-bit VST2 plugin (version 1.20) seems to work in Bitwig Studio 2 here (at Windows 10 64-bit). Might also work with using jbridge.

UPDATE:
A screenshot of the TVF edit page in the Sonic Cell standalone editor (the design might look familiar to users of the JV-1080 plugin while the GUI is a bit beter there...):

[crystalmsc]

I'd personally prefer an accurate JD-800 with a 990 mode

I would love to see something like a vintage mode for the JV-1080 plugin, for the authentic "darker" and more cloudy sound of the original JV-1080. It's great to have an alternative for certain purpose.