KVR Audio

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:18 pm

Falcon
Kaleidoscope (which can be used like a synthesizer)
I'll check with HALion

Many synths let you compress or stretch the key scaling so that e.g. 8 octaves on the keyboard cover a pitch range of e.g. an octave, that's also microtonality, loading tuning files is not per se microtonality.

monomaker · Post by **monomaker** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:30 pm

Serum (tun - lockable)
Spire (scl)
Halion 6 (scl 5, 7, 12 notes - Full keyboard via LUA scripting, cumbersome)
Z3TA+ (scl)
FM8 (poor support via Sysex/MTS import, resets itself easily)
TAL Bassline, Sampler, U-NO-LX (tun)
PolyGAS (tun - lockable)
Lord Of The Springs (12 note only, no standard import)

The worst companies IMO are Apple, Steinberg, Native Instruments and Arturia.

I'll add more soon!

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:55 pm

Vienna Instruments Pro
Scala, and you can determine the tonic once imported. Has to be a 12-note .scl. You can rig any <12 into 12 of course.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:05 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:loading tuning files is not per se microtonality.

Not in the stricter sense of the term, no. It originally came into currency to explain intervals smaller than a semitone and that definition kind of holds today. So in the VSL product VI Pro, there was a demand from mostly Turkish musicians to make their scales happen in the instrument, which uses teh 'microtonal'. Just intonation probably isn't per se, but one's definition of a semitone may be derived from 12tET...

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:26 pm

monomaker wrote:Serum (tun - lockable)

The worst companies IMO are Apple, Steinberg, Native Instruments and Arturia.

Doesn't Alchemy (now owned by Apple) have it?

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:29 pm

You can impart novel scales via preferences in Logic to any of its instruments.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:19 pm

I find it often a bit "unnatural" to play these scales on a normal keyboard or even virtual keyboard layout, especially while creating it.
Is there something like the Wilsonic app as plug-in or desktop tool which has lots of different designs and let you very easy create your custom scales as well on all the designs and export them as .scl or .tun file. I wished i just could use it as midi controller for my plug-ins but it has no midi out and i´m also not sure if that even would work when the instrument itself doesn´t support it.
At least it´s my understanding that if you would just had a midi out for this wouldn´t work since it would just bend the notes from the closest rather than tune....i might be wrong.
I mean something like this:
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/ ... harmonies/

brewt · Post by **brewt** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:35 am

Synthmaster
Wusikstation
Virsyn synths (cube, Tera, Poseidon) although the implementation is a little weird
IL Harmor (although, again, the implementation is a little weird)
Big tick's rhino
Fm8, massive, absynth (limited to 12 notes per octave)
Korg m1 and wavestation (again, 12 notes per octave)
Arturia Cmi v (extended equal temperaments only)
East-west play (certain ones, with only certain termperaments)
U-he zebra2, diva, bazille, ace.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:35 am

Regulary updated list of all(?) so far:
http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/List+ ... re+Plugins

cturner · Post by **cturner** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:26 am

Y’all know about Zentone’s Custom Scale Editor, right?

https://hpi.zentral.zone/cse

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:32 am

cturner wrote:Y’all know about Zentone’s Custom Scale Editor, right?

https://hpi.zentral.zone/cse

I own this since a while but it‘s a bit overwhelming. But i saw it also can create or convert script files for Kontakt tuning.
But it‘s maybe the most complete tool for everything about microtuning.
I just wish the GUI‘s would be more „modern“.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:33 am

jancivil wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:loading tuning files is not per se microtonality.
Not in the stricter sense of the term, no. It originally came into currency to explain intervals smaller than a semitone and that definition kind of holds today. So in the VSL product VI Pro, there was a demand from mostly Turkish musicians to make their scales happen in the instrument, which uses teh 'microtonal'. Just intonation probably isn't per se, but one's definition of a semitone may be derived from 12tET...

It's actually quite astounding that the 12-tone-grid has become the world standard for a “just intonation“ as that grid is so limiting in many ways. Many composers of “modern classical“ music have attempted (and often failed) to introduce and establish microtonality in the avantgarde music, most classically trained musicians hate that, most of the audience seems to hate it, as deviating from that grid seems to hurt their ears. My dad wrote some pieces for flute and clarinet which use up to 20 steps per semitone, the players had to invent special fingerings, practice for months, endless microtonal glissandos up and down which bend your brain around

brewt · Post by **brewt** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:46 am

Forgot:
Melodyne.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:04 am

The thing i love at things like the Wilsonic designs is that you can do all kinds of polyphonic glissandos or if you want hand played microtonal arps.
A normal keyboard is way to limited here.
A hexagonal might be better and those spiral, pyramid and whatever geometric or obscure design you could imagine take that even further if you want.
So i think a microtonal tuning might deserve it‘s own keyboard/midi/trigger layout too.

ReverendLove · Post by **ReverendLove** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:46 am

NI Reaktor

Instruments with microtonal support