Roland JV-1080 finally, as virtual instrument!

[beely]

Wow! That is really nice from you! Hell of a job for sure!

Vested interest really - I have a 5080, with custom patches, that would be nice to be able to have in the box..

[Caine123]

imma donate to you beely if all works, well, cause then i can finally sell my hardware which i sadly never really used...

[tristan-]

I agree that they shouldn't add back the performance mode.

In MY opinion - you forgot to say.

But they should add all the missing FX from 5080, so that all 5080 patches could be properly supported.

In MY opinion.

Now seriously, let's take the Korg M1 for example (in KLC), if they added Program mode alone, and not Combi mode, we would've lost hundreds of useful and nicely programmed Combis (an area Korg always excelled in).

This is really typical KVR now. There's no need because *I* don't need.
but why would you respect someone else's opinion? (this one is specifically written in plural).
This is the very first time I'm "joining" a KVR arguement in 13 years. I just see it as a place for some positive exchange.

anyways. I'm almost positive they'll add it as a feature as I'm not the only one who requested this.

[spinettim]

You’re not thinking to people like me who have tons of old midi projects which included performance sysex at the beginning to recall the proper sounds. I wouldn’t mind get compatibily back and load them in a breeze

Load up your old projects, stick the plugin on each track, choose the sounds you want for each part, I'm sure it wouldn't take long to get them going (and probably sounding even better than before). And I think it's pretty cool that you could get them going at all without having the hardware.

If you've got custom sounds saved as sysex, then currently the plugin can't load them at all because it doesn't support sysex at all - but perhaps, because of people like me who *are* thinking of people like you, adding sysex support will be of great help to get your old projects working. Performance sysex can probably be transformed into whatever CC'd you need as well, using your DAW facilities.

Yes, it's not as ideal as having one plugin that is identical in every way to every bit of hardware Roland ever made in case somebody used those synths to make music and want a complete no-hassle way of getting them running *identically( again and all you have is the project files, but if those things are *that* important to you, it's probably easier just to re-buy the hardware temporarily, it's quite inexpensive these days.

So thankful you’re thinking to us beely. Can’t wait for the converter

[EvilDragon]

Here's the FX comparison:

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JV-1080 FX (VST)                XV-5080 FX

Filter                          Filter
01 EQUALIZER                    01 EQUALIZER
02 SPECTRUM                     88 STEREO SPECTRUM
03 ISOLATOR                     59 ISOLATOR
04 LOW BOOST
05 SUPER FILTER
06 STEP FILTER
07 ENHANCER                     06 ENHANCER
08 AUTO WAH                     65 STEREO AUTO WAH
09 HUMANIZER
10 SPEAKER SIMULATOR            52 SPEAKER SIMULATOR
                                05 SPECTRUM (mono)
                                87 ISOLATOR 2

Modulation                      Modulation
11 PHASER                       04 PHASER
12 STEP PHASER
13 MULTI STAGE PHASER
14 INFINITE PHASER
15 RING MODULATOR               44 RING MODULATOR
16 STEP RING MODULATOR
17 TREMOLO                      62 TREMOLO
18 AUTO PAN                     63 AUTO PAN
19 STEP PAN
20 SLICER                       58 SLICER
21 ROTARY                       08 ROTARY
22 VK ROTARY                    71 ROTARY 2 (VK)
                                07 AUTO WAH (mono)
                                41 STEREO PHASER
                                64 STEREO PHASER 2
                                42 KEYSYNC FLANGER
                                43 FORMANT FILTER
                                66 ST FORMANT FILTER
                                89 3D AUTO SPIN
                                90 3D MANUAL

Chorus                          Chorus
23 CHORUS                       14 CHORUS
24 FLANGER                      15 FLANGER
25 STEP FLANGER                 16 STEP FLANGER
26 HEXA-CHORUS                  11 HEXA-CHORUS
27 TREMOLO CHORUS               12 TREMOLO CHORUS
28 SPACE-D                      13 SPACE-D
29 3D CHORUS                    60 3D CHORUS
30 3D FLANGER                   61 3D FLANGER
31 3D STEP FLANGER
32 2BAND CHORUS
33 2BAND FLANGER
34 2BAND STEP FLANGER

Dynamics                        Dynamics
35 OVERDRIVE                    02 OVERDRIVE
36 DISTORTION                   03 DISTORTION
37 VS OVERDRIVE                 53 OVERDRIVE 2 (VS)
38 VS DISTORTION                54 DISTORTION 2 (VS)
39 GUITAR AMP SIMULATOR         78 GUITAR AMP SIMULATOR
40 COMPRESSOR                   09 COMPRESSOR
41 LIMITER                      10 LIMITER
42 GATE                         57 GATE
                                79 STEREO OVERDRIVE
                                80 STEREO DISTORTION
                                55 STEREO COMPRESSOR
                                56 STEREO LIMITER

Delay                           Delay
43 DELAY                        17 STEREO DELAY
44 LONG DELAY
45 SERIAL DELAY
46 MODULATION DELAY             18 MODULATION DELAY
47 3TAP PAN DELAY               19 3TAP DELAY
48 4TAP PAN DELAY               20 4TAP DELAY
49 MULTI TAP DELAY              45 MULTI TAP DELAY
50 REVERSE DELAY                46 REVERSE DELAY
51 SHUFFLE DELAY                47 SHUFFLE DELAY
52 3D DELAY                     48 3D DELAY
53 TIME CTRL DELAY              21 TIME CONTROL DELAY
54 LONG TIME CTRL DELAY
55 TAPE ECHO
                                67 MULTI TAP DELAY 2
                                68 REVERSE DELAY 2
                                69 SHUFFLE DELAY 2
                                70 3D DELAY 2

Lo-Fi                           Lo-Fi
56 LOFI NOISE
57 LOFI COMPRESS                50 STEREO LOFI COMPRESS
58 LOFI RADIO                   51 STEREO LOFI NOISE
59 TELEPHONE
60 PHONOGRAPH
                                77 LOFI NOISE (mono)
                                76 LOFI COMPRESS (mono)

Pitch                           Pitch
61 PITCH SHIFTER
62 2VOICE PITCH SHIFTER         22 2VOICE PITCH SHIFTER
63 STEP PITCH SHIFTER
                                23 FBK PITCH SHIFTER
                                49 3VOICE PITCH SHIFTER

Combination                     Combination
66 OVERDRIVE -> CHORUS          26 OVERDRIVE -> CHORUS
67 OVERDRIVE -> FLANGER         27 OVERDRIVE -> FLANGER
68 OVERDRIVE -> DELAY           28 OVERDRIVE -> DELAY
69 DISTORTION -> CHORUS         29 DISTORTION -> CHORUS
70 DISTORTION -> FLANGER        30 DISTORTION -> FLANGER
71 DISTORTION -> DELAY          31 DISTORTION -> DELAY
72 ENHANCER -> CHORUS           32 ENHANCER -> CHORUS
73 ENHANCER -> FLANGER          33 ENHANCER -> FLANGER
74 ENHANCER -> DELAY            34 ENHANCER -> DELAY
75 CHORUS -> DELAY              35 CHORUS -> DELAY
76 FLANGER -> DELAY             36 FLANGER -> DELAY
77 CHORUS -> FLANGER            37 CHORUS -> FLANGER
                                38 CHORUS/DELAY
                                39 FLANGER/DELAY
                                40 CHORUS/FLANGER
                                72 ROTARY MULTI
                                73 KEYBOARD MULTI
                                74 RHODES MULTI
                                75 JD MULTI
                                81 GUITAR MULTI A
                                82 GUITAR MULTI B
                                83 GUITAR MULTI C
                                84 CLEAN GUITAR MULTI A
                                85 CLEAN GUITAR MULTI B
                                86 BASS MULTI

Reverb                          Reverb
64 REVERB                       24 REVERB
65 GATED REVERB                 25 GATED REVERB

Piano
78 SYMPATHETIC RESONANCE

So, there are 35 (!) effects missing from XV-5080 in the plugin.

[beely]

Now seriously, let's take the Korg M1 for example (in KLC), if they added Program mode alone, and not Combi mode, we would've lost hundreds of useful and nicely programmed Combis (an area Korg always excelled in).

I agree here, there are some synths where their layering mode was a good source of sounds. The M1 used Combi mode for more than just multitimbral sequencing, and generally, where a synth supports this well, layering is a great feature - not that you can't do this by other means (eg, doing it in your host) but it's nice to be able to provide layered presets in the synth general.

Offhand, I don't think there are that many useful patches in performance mode in my XV-5080 - it's mostly splits and sequencing setups irrc. I'm not saying some people wouldn't like this (there are clearly some of those people in this thread), I'm just saying from my perspective, it's not as much of a loss as it would be, for instance, on the M1. And others are entirely entitled to have a differing view...

I almost always use the 5080 in single patch mode, so the plugin workflow suits me fine, and why the lack of performance mode doesn't bother me at all.

This is really typical KVR now. There's no need because *I* don't need.

No, these are all opinions. No one is saying "this feature should not exist in the plugin", just some of us are saying "I'd like this feature that doesn't exist" and others are saying "it's no great loss to me". Differing opinions, that's all. Please don't get offended because some people don't have the same opinions as yourself...

but why would you respect someone else's opinion? (this one is specifically written in plural).

I don't take any of these posts as anyone disrespecting others' opinions.

This is the very first time I'm "joining" a KVR arguement in 13 years. I just see it as a place for some positive exchange.

Your view obviously differs from mine, I don't see any arguments here, just discussion. :shrugs:

anyways. I'm almost positive they'll add it as a feature as I'm not the only one who requested this.

I'm willing to bet that the plugin won't substantially change, other than perhaps adding expansion support if we're lucky, and maybe sysex import. With the D50 plugin, the overwhelming feature request from users was sysex support, which was why Roland (eventually) added it.

With the 1080, the overwhelming feature request seem to be expansion card support - I've seen very few mentions of sysex import on their Facebook page (which is where they are getting a lot of user feedback from), so from their perspective, it doesn't seem to be a feature that users are clamouring for.

Also, I don't recall anyone asking for Performance support either...

[beely]

Here's the FX comparison:

Thanks, that's super useful!

What I did with the D50 was run some batch tools to survey the FX used across all of the patches out there, so I will likely do something similar on the 5080 presets to give a batch listing of the MFX algorithms used, compare them to your list, and assess the impact from there...

[EvilDragon]

Whoops, there's autowah twice in the XV column. So, 34 FX missing.


EDIT: Nope! Autowah #7 is mono, #65 is stereo (like in the plugin). So, 35 after all.

[Ingonator]

Currently i am trying to create more complex sounds in JV-1080 plugin using multiple advanced features. THis includes using the PKF filter mode (= Peaking filter), serial dual filters, ring modulation, FXM (= frequency cross modulation) and also the additional filters available in the FX section like e.g. the "Spectrum" one which is like a 8 band filter bank (or like an 8 band EQ with fixed frequencies).

Here is a demo wit han improvisation using a patch i created in the JV-1080 plugin using all advanced faetures mentioend in the quote above (including the Spectrum FX) and based on a Sawtooth PCM wave in all 4 Tones:
JV-1080 plugin_IW - Complex PKG + FXM + RM Pad - Demo 1

The only external FX was a Limiter (inckluded wit hLive 9).


Here is another demo with a layer of the same patch as above , anoteh rJV-1080 patch i did recently and a Hypersaw/Supersaw synth strings patch i just created with the help of the "Density" feature in all 3 Oscs of my Novation UltraNova:
IW - JV-1080 plugin + UltraNova layer - Demo 1

External FXs used here are Lexicon MPX Native Reverb for UltraNova and a Limiter (From Live 9) at the master bus.

[tristan-]

Now seriously, let's take the Korg M1 for example (in KLC), if they added Program mode alone, and not Combi mode, we would've lost hundreds of useful and nicely programmed Combis (an area Korg always excelled in).

I agree here, there are some synths where their layering mode was a good source of sounds. The M1 used Combi mode for more than just multitimbral sequencing, and generally, where a synth supports this well, layering is a great feature - not that you can't do this by other means (eg, doing it in your host) but it's nice to be able to provide layered presets in the synth general.

This is exactly what I was talking about on my first post - Layering.

just the fact the XV5080 didn't come with layered performances doesn't mean its not good for that purpose. I loved it just for that. I never use splits.

Thanks for your input mate.

[beely]

Also, some of the FX algorithms were intended as replacements for combined JD800/990 FX for compatability reasons, so if those ones are missing from the plugin, it's no big deal, as it's unlikely they are used by the presets (but of course, I will verify this...)

[EvilDragon]

That's just one FX block (JD MULTI). Others are not related to JD series at all, AFAIK.

[beely]

just the fact the XV5080 didn't come with layered performances doesn't mean its not good for that purpose. I loved it just for that. I never use splits.

For sure, and these romplers are all designed around layering anyway (which is why single patches have four tones to begin with).

My point is that you can still do all the layering with multiple instances, and *better* than the hardware, as you retain the full MFX and polyphony for each instance, rather than sharing them - and if you're not bothered about the preset performances (I will have another look through these on my hardware to see whether I still feel the same way about these) then again, you're not really losing much by not featuring layered performance mode in the plugin - unless of course your host can't easily save layered presets, in which case it will definitely be less comfortable than the plugin supporting it directly - which by the sounds of it, is your experience.

So yes, I do get what you are saying...

[beely]

That's just one FX block (JD MULTI). Others are not related to JD series at all, AFAIK.

Yep, was just going from rusty memory, I'm not with my hardware at the moment, so I couldn't be specific as to what FX were... heh... "effected" by this..

[EvilDragon]

Korg's combi mode basically compensates for the fact that a single patch has only 2 oscillators, whereas Roland has a much more flexible architecture, with 4 parts, and the order of filters, booster and ring modulator can change depending on structure...