Well gosh, looks like we'd all got it wrong up until you figured it out for all of us. What a service. I'm sure if you just write to NI and explain this, they'll see the wisdom of it and discontinue the line immediately for public use. After all, nobody needs it other than studios. If you believe that, it must be true for everybody, naturally.festeringheap wrote:Komplete overkill.
No one needs this bloated suite other than studios.
Disappointed with KOMPLETE (??)
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- KVRAF
- 2430 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA
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- KVRian
- 1153 posts since 21 Nov, 2005
Bought Komplete in the November sale and haven't even started to scratch the surface. I don't make, and am not particularly interested in making EDM(tm) and after a quick browse through some patches started making my own as I found that a) it helps me familiarise myself with the synths and b) it can be quicker to create patches that are personal to you than scroll through several hundred patches to find something borderline useable.
Even things that seem more designed for EDM such as Rounds and Form have uses way beyond wubs, arpeggiators and the like, they're well thought out synths even if elements of them are not immediately familiar to the non-initiated. Personally I really like Kontour for physical modeling synths and Prizm for crazy additive style pads, and have used FM8 to get workable flute sounds and Massive for Boards of Canada style wonkiness.
Even things that seem more designed for EDM such as Rounds and Form have uses way beyond wubs, arpeggiators and the like, they're well thought out synths even if elements of them are not immediately familiar to the non-initiated. Personally I really like Kontour for physical modeling synths and Prizm for crazy additive style pads, and have used FM8 to get workable flute sounds and Massive for Boards of Canada style wonkiness.
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- Banned
- 1779 posts since 26 Aug, 2012
Shit, I haven't read all these posts but has anyone recommended UVI to this disenchanted dude?
And as for the guy who said Komplete was only for studios...
...there's a lot better shit out dere for studios
And as for the guy who said Komplete was only for studios...
...there's a lot better shit out dere for studios
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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
What are "studios" you're talking about, anyway?festeringheap wrote:Komplete overkill.
No one needs this bloated suite other than studios.
Blog ------------- YouTube channel
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
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- KVRAF
- 18190 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
Kinh wrote:Shit, I haven't read all these posts but has anyone recommended UVI to this disenchanted dude?
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- KVRAF
- 2720 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
Picked up Komplete in sale. Blocks + Euro Reakt opened a whole world of West Coast bleepy fun inside the DAW. Kontour is brilliant too, bringing that "complex oscillator" madness into something more workflow-oriented. I was worried the NI stuff might be a bit tame but was proven wrong.
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- KVRAF
- 9145 posts since 28 Apr, 2013
Not so much with Komplete.
But increasingly disappointed and even disillusioned with Native Instruments.
The idea of 'bloat' does effect me also. But that seems to be more of a subjective ratio according to my use. Specifically, the Ultimate part. Even though they're solid libraries for what they are, I find they just don't fit my music as I thought they would.
So, I'm disappointed that Ultimate doesn't fill my particular needs.
Now, the basic Komplete has 'disappointments' as well, which are more easily overlooked when accepting the fact that they are what they are. This is echoed everywhere on the boards with the three 'might-as-well-be' legacy synths receiving little more than updates to keep them functioning, than any serious upgrades that so many are hoping for. (i.e. Massive 2; FM9f; Absynth 6.)
But there is a vast difference between what I own, what I like, and what I actually use with this bundle. And the new way of doing things by them has left me with a decision of how much I allow them and my ISP to own me to make me work for them...
So I think it's probably best for each to access these things as they pertain to them individually and not tie themselves into more than they need/use. Let the studios own it all with a scenario of what they might need. The realization for me is to keep it as minimal as possible, which means I can live without those legacy synths (and I like two of them), as well as Reaktor, which is great for designers, but almost superfluous for my kind of musicianship.
What I repeatedly like and use is Kontakt with third party libraries and Guitar Rig. And even those have become a standard PITA for me with the introduction of Access.
YMMV.
But increasingly disappointed and even disillusioned with Native Instruments.
The idea of 'bloat' does effect me also. But that seems to be more of a subjective ratio according to my use. Specifically, the Ultimate part. Even though they're solid libraries for what they are, I find they just don't fit my music as I thought they would.
So, I'm disappointed that Ultimate doesn't fill my particular needs.
Now, the basic Komplete has 'disappointments' as well, which are more easily overlooked when accepting the fact that they are what they are. This is echoed everywhere on the boards with the three 'might-as-well-be' legacy synths receiving little more than updates to keep them functioning, than any serious upgrades that so many are hoping for. (i.e. Massive 2; FM9f; Absynth 6.)
But there is a vast difference between what I own, what I like, and what I actually use with this bundle. And the new way of doing things by them has left me with a decision of how much I allow them and my ISP to own me to make me work for them...
So I think it's probably best for each to access these things as they pertain to them individually and not tie themselves into more than they need/use. Let the studios own it all with a scenario of what they might need. The realization for me is to keep it as minimal as possible, which means I can live without those legacy synths (and I like two of them), as well as Reaktor, which is great for designers, but almost superfluous for my kind of musicianship.
What I repeatedly like and use is Kontakt with third party libraries and Guitar Rig. And even those have become a standard PITA for me with the introduction of Access.
YMMV.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
Never saw much value in Komplete, especially Ultimate version.
Yes, mathematically it is huge saving when you count separate product prices. But there are few users who may really use all this stuff: generic band libraries, drum machines, tons of synths, ethnic/orchestral/cinematic instruments, effects, guitar rig.
There are a lot of overlaps in the package and gaps too (e.g. six bass libs and no electric guitar), so you still may need to look elsewhere the stuff you need.
Content is also unbalanced, there are few flagship products in "must have" category, then many just good things, few mediocre ones and stripped down orchestral libs.
Purchasing regular Komplete plus few not included products you really need may be better option.
Or even buying few "must have" gems individually from them may be more cost efficient in long run. Especially if interested in only one kind of products, e.g. Kontakt + few their best sample libs or Reaktor + few their best Reaktor instruments.
NI does major updates of their flagship products once in several years. Most content libraries are never going to be updated. Komplete is updated more frequently, mostly by adding content, updates are costly and about every 1.5 year you should answer Hamlet question "update or not update?" and doubt if you really will use added content or just pay for the one you already have.
Yes, mathematically it is huge saving when you count separate product prices. But there are few users who may really use all this stuff: generic band libraries, drum machines, tons of synths, ethnic/orchestral/cinematic instruments, effects, guitar rig.
There are a lot of overlaps in the package and gaps too (e.g. six bass libs and no electric guitar), so you still may need to look elsewhere the stuff you need.
Content is also unbalanced, there are few flagship products in "must have" category, then many just good things, few mediocre ones and stripped down orchestral libs.
Purchasing regular Komplete plus few not included products you really need may be better option.
Or even buying few "must have" gems individually from them may be more cost efficient in long run. Especially if interested in only one kind of products, e.g. Kontakt + few their best sample libs or Reaktor + few their best Reaktor instruments.
NI does major updates of their flagship products once in several years. Most content libraries are never going to be updated. Komplete is updated more frequently, mostly by adding content, updates are costly and about every 1.5 year you should answer Hamlet question "update or not update?" and doubt if you really will use added content or just pay for the one you already have.
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- KVRAF
- 16832 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
stacev wrote:Never saw much value in Komplete, especially Ultimate version.
Yes, mathematically it is huge saving when you count separate product prices. But there are few users who may really use all this stuff: generic band libraries, drum machines, tons of synths, ethnic/orchestral/cinematic instruments, effects, guitar rig.
There are a lot of overlaps in the package and gaps too (e.g. six bass libs and no electric guitar), so you still may need to look elsewhere the stuff you need.
Content is also unbalanced, there are few flagship products in "must have" category, then many just good things, few mediocre ones and stripped down orchestral libs.
Purchasing regular Komplete plus few not included products you really need may be better option.
Or even buying few "must have" gems individually from them may be more cost efficient in long run. Especially if interested in only one kind of products, e.g. Kontakt + few their best sample libs or Reaktor + few their best Reaktor instruments.
NI does major updates of their flagship products once in several years. Most content libraries are never going to be updated. Komplete is updated more frequently, mostly by adding content, updates are costly and about every 1.5 year you should answer Hamlet question "update or not update?" and doubt if you really will use added content or just pay for the one you already have.
Do the math, if you think that you are just going to buy four or five products from either the regular product or the ultimate product, you are better off with the package. It takes very little to justify Komplete at either level if you want even part of it.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
It depends on situation and what you really need. There may be huge amount of combinations and personal situations, preferences of NI proucts or 3rd party etc.
For example if one needs Kontakt + some 3-4 their $99 sample libs, and prefers 3rd party content, I think it is worth to buy that individually than pay $1200 for Ultimate. That way you are not tied to expensive ultimate updates and predefined by NI content.
For example if one needs Kontakt + some 3-4 their $99 sample libs, and prefers 3rd party content, I think it is worth to buy that individually than pay $1200 for Ultimate. That way you are not tied to expensive ultimate updates and predefined by NI content.
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Straight2Vinyl Straight2Vinyl https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=395170
- KVRist
- 336 posts since 10 Mar, 2017
I hadn't made music in years, so when I updated from Komplete 8 to Komplete 11 Ultimate there was a lot of useful content for me. But like anything else the better a musician you are(I'm not that good) the more you'll get out of any tools.
I will say though that it's important to know you get what you pay for. Many of the instruments in Komplete are not the best, so you may eventually want to make further purchases once you encounter their limits. Personally I was hoping to get a lot of use out of Session Horns Pro, but have realized it's rather limiting so I've picked up a couple of the Sample Modeling/SWAM libraries and they're on an entirely different level and I get results far faster than with SHP. Still Komplete is about as good a starting point as any.
I will say though that it's important to know you get what you pay for. Many of the instruments in Komplete are not the best, so you may eventually want to make further purchases once you encounter their limits. Personally I was hoping to get a lot of use out of Session Horns Pro, but have realized it's rather limiting so I've picked up a couple of the Sample Modeling/SWAM libraries and they're on an entirely different level and I get results far faster than with SHP. Still Komplete is about as good a starting point as any.