Bitwig 2.3 announcement

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PhilG
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169 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from A small village in the north of Germany

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:52 am

:o :pray: :clap: :tu:

Can´t wait to start playing with the beta :hyper:

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Zexila
KVRAF
3089 posts since 18 Mar, 2008

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:23 am

Freakin awesome. :clap: 8)
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jonljacobi
KVRian
696 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:16 am

Time signs! And they finally gave up writing their own stretching algorithms. Good on them. Time better spent on other things. Hope this sneaks in under everyone's yearly fee.

Reefius
KVRist
441 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Belgium

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:43 am

jonljacobi wrote:Hope this sneaks in under everyone's yearly fee.
It does, but the bugfix releases (2.3.1, 2.3.2, ...) will not. And that could be a big issue...

SLiC
KVRAF
2780 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:52 am

Reefius wrote:
jonljacobi wrote:Hope this sneaks in under everyone's yearly fee.
It does, but the bugfix releases (2.3.1, 2.3.2, ...) will not. And that could be a big issue...
It really isn't- bug fixes were issued even to V1 and not considered feature updates that need subscription.

We had all the updates of V2 (massive), V2.1, V2.2 and the equally massive 2.3 for 160 bucks....Totally awesome value, the most inavation and fastest developing DAW IMHO - absolutely niothing at all to complain about, my best music related purcase in the last 3 years.
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Reefius
KVRist
441 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Belgium

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:05 am

V2.3 will be released on february 28, which is exactly one year after the release of V2.0. This means that from then on everyone who purchased V2 on release day will no longer receive updates unless they pay for another year. That's NO updates at all, not even bugfixes.

That's how I interpreted it last year. I just created a thread about it in the Bitwig forum, hopefully there will be an official answer soon.

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rod_zero
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2873 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:33 am

Back then, at 2.0 announcement, they stated to provide bugfixes updates if they were show stoppers to out of "update period" users.

But I think that will create a mess in a short time.

User one with 2.3.0 needs some version for bugfixes...

And user two with 2.3.1 needs another version with another set of bugfixes....
And so on.

That can be a nightmare to track and maintain, it would be like creating subversions for small groups of users.
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SWallace
KVRist
309 posts since 21 Oct, 2008 from new england

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:48 am

Would be simple if all versions of 2.3.x were only bug fixes.
So if you have version 2.3 you are then able to download any 2.3.x versions containing bug fixes.

It would also be necessary to make it that versions 2.x are when new features are introduced.

I feel this would help customers feel safer about their investment.

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KVRian
545 posts since 30 Dec, 2014

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:25 pm

The subscription / maintenance system and the big increase in the cost of the program was a big turn off when I heard about it last year, so any prior thought of adding it to what I have, really just flew out the window. Similarly a 12 month window time frame of drip feed updates which may contain bugs that I might not get fixed in that 12 month window and require an expensive upgrade fee just for those, is really mean, when I compare it with other some other daws. For comparison, Presonus released Studio One 3 in May of 2015, all maintenance bug fixes and significant feature updates have been free over the past 2 and half years and more. And when it was revealed what 3.5 included, that was really quite a wow revelation in terms of features.

As clever as the Bitwig Studio software is, there is a direct conflict in the policy, an issue I don't have any issue with, with Studio One.
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Woodgardens
KVRist
168 posts since 18 Oct, 2017

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:04 pm

Gee, sounds promising, I must say. If things won't get too buggy, I'll probably upgrade. I saved a €600 budget for a new DAW, but last week I saw this awesome chess set, which only costs €550 and I can get a 25% discount, which leaves me enough money for the upgrade :)

jsp1979
KVRAF
2852 posts since 7 Aug, 2008

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:18 pm

Must be a hell of a chess set.

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pdxindy
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13850 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:31 pm

SLiC wrote:
Reefius wrote:
jonljacobi wrote:Hope this sneaks in under everyone's yearly fee.
It does, but the bugfix releases (2.3.1, 2.3.2, ...) will not. And that could be a big issue...
It really isn't- bug fixes were issued even to V1 and not considered feature updates that need subscription.

We had all the updates of V2 (massive), V2.1, V2.2 and the equally massive 2.3 for 160 bucks....Totally awesome value, the most inavation and fastest developing DAW IMHO - absolutely niothing at all to complain about, my best music related purcase in the last 3 years.
I think it is unclear exactly how this will be handled... so it is reasonable for someone to be concerned. Also, V2 plus 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 will not happen again. That was like a one time 2 years for 1.

That said, many people seem to focus mainly on money and the huge majority of conversation ends up being about money, not music software. I wish it were otherwise, but hey, it is what it is.

Looking forward to next year, and using this year as a guide, one can expect 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 amount of development for the 'retail' price of $169. That is a solid deal for a unique and innovative software and if someone does not think that is enough, they can always wait and extra 3-6 months and get more for the same amount of money. It is mostly in the users hands.

In my case, I took advantage of the Holiday sale and purchased the next year for $129. I think $129 for the equivalent of 2.1 plus 2.2 plus 2.3 is great... for me a no-brainer. Now that we know much of what is in 2.3, I'm pleased to have jumped on that.

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pdxindy
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13850 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:47 pm

This is an excellent development for playing live...

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These devices are excellent for live use, particularly for swapping between patches and sounds — and not overloading your system in the act.

you will freely switch between layers without hard breaks or clicks, and your sustained notes and reverb tails will fade away naturally. Furthermore, the Remote Controls follow your selection in a dynamic and predictable way.

Woodgardens
KVRist
168 posts since 18 Oct, 2017

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:49 pm

@jsp1979

I'm pretty much excited about it! Otherwise I would not post off topic :oops:
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tooneba
KVRian
1042 posts since 6 Nov, 2012

Re: Bitwig 2.3 announcement

Post Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:19 pm

So are they going to maintain several software package like 1.5.3, 1.6.2, 2.1.2, 2.3.1, 2.5.1, etc. to cater bug fix for previous subscribers and existing subscribers? It shouldn't be easy task, right?

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