KVR Audio

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:51 pm

I'm not for or against Reaper. It's stable and has great features. If it had a nicer default look, and started with a minimal amount of features visible it would win more fans. It's not a lack of capabilities, it's how they're presented that sends so many users scurrying for cover. And fascinates others no doubt.

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:24 pm

keyman_sam wrote:6 years into Reaper and I was still customizing it to get it to work the way I wanted, still only going "oh so close but not yet, just one more..". It is definitely feature packed, no comparison there. But the menu and overall UX clusterf*ck got to me.

So … Reaper is Emacs?

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:34 pm

teilo wrote:
keyman_sam wrote:6 years into Reaper and I was still customizing it to get it to work the way I wanted, still only going "oh so close but not yet, just one more..". It is definitely feature packed, no comparison there. But the menu and overall UX clusterf*ck got to me.
So … Reaper is Emacs?

Joke, yes?

But be kinder to Reaper...

I would probably do a lot more with Reaper than i would with something like Emacs. I can at least get where Reaper wants to go, but the whole command-line-or-die mentality, near-zero interface, cryptic commands/controls and whatnot ideology of classic Unix tools ... no sir! I've already done my hard time at the command line!

imrae · Post by **imrae** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:12 pm

If I could use Emacs as a DAW with pro plugins and multitrack recording I probably would. Until then, there's REAPER

twisted-space · Post by **twisted-space** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:25 pm

teilo wrote:So … Reaper is Emacs?

You mean Vim, surely?

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:40 pm

Polarization occurs when people tell other people what their actual thought is; and now there is the thing of acting like you want to know but reality is you've dismissed that out-of-hand so that is just another opportunity to state your disposition.

I don't have any opinion on 'you want these things from your experience', but the thread is 'Polarized opinions about Reaper' which translates to 'KVR polarization due to a certain quality of REAPER fan activity here' really.

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:27 am

jancivil wrote: I don't have any opinion on 'you want these things from your experience', but the thread is 'Polarized opinions about Reaper' which translates to 'KVR polarization due to a certain quality of REAPER fan activity here' really.

not even just the quality of reaper fan activity here - the Reaper experience to some extent requires visiting the Reaper forum for many users due to the nature of the application and the way it develops. And the Reaper forum has plenty of problems with the attitudes expressed there - a lot of which would get you banned at the forums I prefer. Which is a shame because there are also many helpful people.

inkwarp · Post by **inkwarp** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:54 pm

jancivil wrote:Polarization occurs when people tell other people what their actual thought is; and now there is the thing of acting like you want to know but reality is you've dismissed that out-of-hand so that is just another opportunity to state your disposition.

I don't have any opinion on 'you want these things from your experience', but the thread is 'Polarized opinions about Reaper' which translates to 'KVR polarization due to a certain quality of REAPER fan activity here' really.

Frankly i don't know what you mean.. i use forums mainly for learning.
it is very easy to skip pass threads that are basically argument for arguments sake? the net is full of such stuff, just ignore it. i don't really care if someone is just venting/hating about reaper/fl studio etc. it is trivial, meaningless. it's just so much a part of the scenery. i have learned a lot from the reaper forums as i have from various others like Fl Studio.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:23 pm

Like I implied earlier, put 20 guys in a room and ask them what restaurants they like and come back a half hour later and someone will be arguing because someone said they like Red Lobster and someone else said they hate Red Lobster, and one of both of them will take the others preference or opposite opinion as a personal insult. That's just what guys do.

Change restaurants to DAWs, add the Internet and anonimity to multiply it all by some magnitude = "as inevitable and predictable as anything ever gets". It's not REAPER, it's almost anything.

If I said Black & Decker makes the best tools someone would disagree and want to argue it for 10 pages.

That's why Facebook is so rich, people mostly grouping in "choir" groups daily or hourly to dismiss other people who are "wrong" about something.

ontol · Post by **ontol** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:31 pm

oops, wrong place

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:33 pm

LawrenceF wrote:Like I implied earlier, put 20 guys in a room and ask them what restaurants they like and come back a half hour later and someone will be arguing because someone said they like Red Lobster and someone else said they hate Red Lobster, and one of both of them will take the others preference or opposite opinion as a personal insult. That's just what guys do.

Change restaurants to DAWs, add the Internet and anonimity to multiply it all by some magnitude = "as inevitable and predictable as anything ever gets". It's not REAPER, it's almost anything.

If I said Black & Decker makes the best tools someone would disagree and want to argue it for 10 pages.

Forums differ quite a bit according to the moderation and the culture that develops. The Reaper forum is quite different to the Samplitude forum, KVR is quite different to VI-Control.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:35 pm

I've personally never found Red Lobster to be all that intuitive. It just doesn't... inspire me.

inkwarp · Post by **inkwarp** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:37 pm

i prefer the crab..

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:39 pm

woggle wrote:Forums differ quite a bit according to the moderation and the culture that develops. The Reaper forum is quite different to the Samplitude forum, KVR is quite different to VI-Control.

This is true. Keep in mind that people in anger or disagreeing are more active for longer so for things supported by advertising, some level of arguing or disagreement is good for the bottom line, keeping those people online and engaged.

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:44 pm

LawrenceF wrote:
woggle wrote:Forums differ quite a bit according to the moderation and the culture that develops. The Reaper forum is quite different to the Samplitude forum, KVR is quite different to VI-Control.
This is true. Keep in mind that people in anger or disagreeing are more active for longer so for things supported by advertising, some level of arguing or disagreement is good for the bottom line, keeping those people online and engaged.

good point