Logic Pro v10.4 is out

[jacqueslacouth]

How do you download the Alchemy and Reverb patches?

Also I thought the reverb was supposed to have some sort of fancy visualization but I can't see it - how do you turn it on?

It was automatic when I downloaded. I believe it only works on machines recent enough to support Metal. It is very pretty though.

[machinesworking]

I’m running latest with Sierra on a late 2112 Mac Mini - less than $500.

Did you also come back here in a Delorian to ensure your great, great, grandparents fell in love?

Not that it matters really, but have any go you noticed that cpu performance in the last 6-8 years really hasn't increased at the level it did for years before then? 'm running a modded 09 Mac Pro that's easily in the running with the latest top of the line build from apple. Same with the 2012 MacBook pro here, it's still competitive performance wise. Looking at scores in Geekbench it's brutally expensive servers that are beating older top of the line PCs and Macs.

My point is that was a good argument against older computers for years but chips are not getting 1 1/2 X faster every couple years like they used to, and i7's aren't getting into competition with Xeons for ridiculous amounts of cores. The Xeons out now that destroy older Xeons and i7's are not in any of our price ranges.

Before making any decisions about purchasing computers these days IMO Geekbench is your friend, and it definitely backs up what I'm saying here. My 2012 2.7 has a score of 12039, the latest MacBook 3.1 top of the line is only 15634, a whole 23% faster in 6 years.

[sprnva]

That's because the focus is on efficiency now, particularly with laptops. It's all about being paper-thin and having a battery that lasts a day.

[aMUSEd]

How do you download the Alchemy and Reverb patches?

Also I thought the reverb was supposed to have some sort of fancy visualization but I can't see it - how do you turn it on?

It was automatic when I downloaded. I believe it only works on machines recent enough to support Metal. It is very pretty though.

Crap - oh well it sounds OK but nothing I don't already have

[aMUSEd]

The new Alchemy patches are amazingly good - many made by biomechanoid by the sound of it

[Winstontaneous]

I know you're talking about CPU speed but IMO another factor contributing to things not being as fast as we'd expect - 64 bit apps have let developers become very lazy around memory management. The limits I keep hitting with my 2012 MBP are not CPU speed-related - they're memory and thermal. A whining 6200RPM fan is not conducive to recording with sensitive condenser mics in the same room.

I’m running latest with Sierra on a late 2112 Mac Mini - less than $500.

Did you also come back here in a Delorian to ensure your great, great, grandparents fell in love?

Not that it matters really, but have any go you noticed that cpu performance in the last 6-8 years really hasn't increased at the level it did for years before then? 'm running a modded 09 Mac Pro that's easily in the running with the latest top of the line build from apple. Same with the 2012 MacBook pro here, it's still competitive performance wise. Looking at scores in Geekbench it's brutally expensive servers that are beating older top of the line PCs and Macs.

My point is that was a good argument against older computers for years but chips are not getting 1 1/2 X faster every couple years like they used to, and i7's aren't getting into competition with Xeons for ridiculous amounts of cores. The Xeons out now that destroy older Xeons and i7's are not in any of our price ranges.

Before making any decisions about purchasing computers these days IMO Geekbench is your friend, and it definitely backs up what I'm saying here. My 2012 2.7 has a score of 12039, the latest MacBook 3.1 top of the line is only 15634, a whole 23% faster in 6 years.

[Bombadil]

Here is a pretty good idea of how the new horn section works, although he seemed to have trouble with a couple of articulations. Amazing. Realistic, imo.

And FREEEEE!

[Enkerli]

Whoa! Had only heard one silly example which didn’t sound so good but, to me as a sax player, this really sounds most excellent! Wow. Getting really excited, now.

[aMUSEd]

2 plugins the au manager is saying it can't open now -XILS Oxium and Noveltech Character

[Enkerli]

I know you're talking about CPU speed but IMO another factor contributing to things not being as fast as we'd expect - 64 bit apps have let developers become very lazy around memory management. The limits I keep hitting with my 2012 MBP are not CPU speed-related - they're memory and thermal. A whining 6200RPM fan is not conducive to recording with sensitive condenser mics in the same room.

I’m running latest with Sierra on a late 2112 Mac Mini - less than $500.

Did you also come back here in a Delorian to ensure your great, great, grandparents fell in love?

Not that it matters really, but have any go you noticed that cpu performance in the last 6-8 years really hasn't increased at the level it did for years before then? 'm running a modded 09 Mac Pro that's easily in the running with the latest top of the line build from apple. Same with the 2012 MacBook pro here, it's still competitive performance wise. Looking at scores in Geekbench it's brutally expensive servers that are beating older top of the line PCs and Macs.

My point is that was a good argument against older computers for years but chips are not getting 1 1/2 X faster every couple years like they used to, and i7's aren't getting into competition with Xeons for ridiculous amounts of cores. The Xeons out now that destroy older Xeons and i7's are not in any of our price ranges.

Before making any decisions about purchasing computers these days IMO Geekbench is your friend, and it definitely backs up what I'm saying here. My 2012 2.7 has a score of 12039, the latest MacBook 3.1 top of the line is only 15634, a whole 23% faster in 6 years.

Been noticing for a while, now, that performance improvements tend not to have too much of an impact on macOS/Windows/Ubuntu for general-purpose tasks. While it’s clear that devs aren’t really taking advantage of the increased speeds, they’re also not being so keen on optimization. So the fact that an older laptop without much RAM can get by with quite a few tasks with current software also means something about what counts as performance.
To me, the biggest performance difference on macOS and Windows, by a really long shot, has been a switch to SSD. Qualitative difference: pretty unusable with HD, quite decent with SSD.

One area where performance improvements are very noticeable is on iOS. Just today, switched from an iPad 4 to an iPad Pro and, similar to the SSD move, it’s a difference between barely usable and a seamless experience. Expected a significant difference but didn’t figure it’d be that obvious. RAM is obviously a big part but CPU also matters, here.

Another area where it’s been very easy to notice performance improvements is on the Raspberry Pi. Not only because the CPU in the Pi3 is a radical improvement but Raspbian has been so finely optimized that even the Raspberry Pi Zero runs better than before.

Of course, the connection between these two areas is obvious: ARM.

If the trend continues, with these ARM chips, we might go through an interesting transition. Apple probably won’t release macOS for ARM in the near future. But it’d be nice if they made a more professional version of iOS, with something closer to Logic Pro X (and/or MainStage) than GarageBand.

[Bombadil]

Whoa! Had only heard one silly example which didn’t sound so good but, to me as a sax player, this really sounds most excellent! Wow. Getting really excited, now.

Impressed me! I expect the new strings work the same way. I wonder if we'll get comparable quality instruments down the road!

[jonljacobi]

Haven't gotten to the strings yet, but the horns are impressive. Really impressive. I think this is my third email saying that. I'm simply delighted. I really hope they follow through on this with all the orchestral instruments.

That said, if I could afford to hire the real thing I would. Always.

[virtualpt]

2 plugins the au manager is saying it can't open now -XILS Oxium and Noveltech Character

I had the same problem with a couple of plugins. Just downloaded them again & re-installed & they worked fine

[machinesworking]

To me, the biggest performance difference on macOS and Windows, by a really long shot, has been a switch to SSD. Qualitative difference: pretty unusable with HD, quite decent with SSD.

Yep, the 09 Mac Pro has newer HD's in it, running at 170-190mbs, (larger hard drives have better performance for some reason, so the 4TB HD is fast); the OS is on an XP941 running at 1100mbs, and the bigger sample libraries are on an SM951 running at 1450mbs. Smaller libraries are on USB3 connected external SSDs running at 340mbs. As far as RAM is concerned I rarely do huge orchestral stuff, so 24GB more than suffices. Mostly if I have issues with CPU it's due to loading a single track, at 12 cores and 24 possible threads, track count doesn't do anything to my CPU.

I just don't foresee any reason to upgrade the mac until it's actually dying at this point. So IMO everyone has a very valid point about Apple Tax in regards to modern hardware, and this huge delay on their "modular" replacement for the trash cans, but in terms of having to abandon Logic because it's not running well on old hardware it's not much of a point.

[Jace-BeOS]

Aaaaaarrrghh!! Logic Remote for iOS requires iOS 11!!!!