Logic Pro v10.4 is out

[Winstontaneous]

Aaaaaarrrghh!! Logic Remote for iOS requires iOS 11!!!!

That's a bummer but I'm still rockin' my iPhone 4S.
One longstanding Logic annoyance is lousy premapped controller support compared to Live/Reason, sux that you need a newer iPhone/iPad just to control the damn thing as time goes on too.

In brighter news - for those not finding Chroma/Vintage EQ presets (and probably Alchemy) - go to Logic Pro X > Sound Library > Download Essential Sounds.

[fmr]

To me, the biggest performance difference on macOS and Windows, by a really long shot, has been a switch to SSD. Qualitative difference: pretty unusable with HD, quite decent with SSD.

Yep, the 09 Mac Pro has newer HD's in it, running at 170-190mbs, (larger hard drives have better performance for some reason, so the 4TB HD is fast); the OS is on an XP941 running at 1100mbs, and the bigger sample libraries are on an SM951 running at 1450mbs. Smaller libraries are on USB3 connected external SSDs running at 340mbs. As far as RAM is concerned I rarely do huge orchestral stuff, so 24GB more than suffices. Mostly if I have issues with CPU it's due to loading a single track, at 12 cores and 24 possible threads, track count doesn't do anything to my CPU.

I just don't foresee any reason to upgrade the mac until it's actually dying at this point. So IMO everyone has a very valid point about Apple Tax in regards to modern hardware, and this huge delay on their "modular" replacement for the trash cans, but in terms of having to abandon Logic because it's not running well on old hardware it's not much of a point.

Speak for macOS, but you never saw a Windows gaming machine. No wonder mac users think there was no big improvements in desktop computers, when the majority is still using i5, and a machine with a vanilla i7 is considered high end.

Things like this: http://www.techradar.com/news/new-intel ... -overclock

or this:

http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-8th-gen-p ... rformance/

are what high end is about, and what it means in the windows world.

Six core CPus will be the standard for this year's new high-end machines. Where are the Macs with those? Apple choose to pile two overpriced Xeons, instead, making the prices jump through the roof.

And do you REALLY think any ARM CPU will be able to beat those? You guys really show why Apple manages to keep selling underspec'd and overpriced machines.

[dupont]

The horns and strings aren't half bad. By that I mean, pretty decent. Okay, pretty darn nice so far.

As to switching to Live, or Bitwig. Live is what it says it is, best for Live performance. Or sound creation. Bitwig is about two years from being mature but is extremely fun to play with if you like that Eurorack modular stuff. Live costs $600 configured as Logic. Bitwig $300. Neither are as configurable/tailorable as Logic.

And you'll find just as many people complaining about stuff as you will with Logic. Actually, more. Witness 7 years of requests for comping in Live. I'm guessing that if you were into live or sound creation, you'd already have one or the other. For straight up recording and production, neither can touch Logic. It's not even close. Start talking Cubase or Pro Tools for that.

I understand frustration with Apple. Especially with all the arrogance involved, but I don't think you're going to find the grass any greener.

Reaper is far more configurable and powerfull that Logic and don't need to buy an underspeced, overpriced mac. No need to updtae to 10.12, Reaper runs on 10.5 OS.
But Reaper don't pay stupid famous people for adverstising.

[Zexila]

Six core CPus will be the standard for this year's new high-end machines. Where are the Macs with those? Apple choose to pile two overpriced Xeons, instead, making the prices jump through the roof.

Friend bought new iMac with i7 7700K month ago.

[Zexila]

But Reaper don't pay stupid famous people for adverstising.

Apple neither, people actually use Logic because they like it and been using it for decades, it's industry standard for a reason.

[fmr]

Six core CPus will be the standard for this year's new high-end machines. Where are the Macs with those? Apple choose to pile two overpriced Xeons, instead, making the prices jump through the roof.

Friend bought new iMac with i7 7700K month ago.

He paid probably a huge amount for a "NEW" iMac with an "OLD" CPU. The new CPUs are the 8 series. So, the iMac, to be "really" new, should have the 8700K.

Average CPU benchmarks:

Intel 7700K: 98.4
Intel 8700K: 129.28

Note that the 8700 isn't by any means the fastest Intel CPU available. Those are the i9 (https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... 7900x.html).

[Zexila]

Six core CPus will be the standard for this year's new high-end machines. Where are the Macs with those? Apple choose to pile two overpriced Xeons, instead, making the prices jump through the roof.

Friend bought new iMac with i7 7700K month ago.

A "NEW" iMac with an "OLD" CPU. The new CPUs are the 8 series. So, the iMac should have the 8700K.

That Mac is mid 2017, 8700K was released in Q4'17, how are they supposed to do that?

I7 7700K CPU is Q1'17, not old at all, especially found in mid 2017 machine....

[fmr]

Six core CPus will be the standard for this year's new high-end machines. Where are the Macs with those? Apple choose to pile two overpriced Xeons, instead, making the prices jump through the roof.

Friend bought new iMac with i7 7700K month ago.

A "NEW" iMac with an "OLD" CPU. The new CPUs are the 8 series. So, the iMac should have the 8700K.

That Mac is mid 2017, 8th gen of CPU's was released in Q4'17, how are they supposed to do that?

I7 7700K CPU is Q1'17, not old at all, especially found in mid 2017 machine....

Apple should know by then (I'm pretty sure thy did) that a new series of CPUs was about to be launched.

Anyway, by any current standards, that machine is no longer "high-end". Yet it is still being sold as that.

Can you "upgrade" the iMac? You can't. Yet, with a Windows machine, you can exchange the MoBo and the CPU, and you are up and running, with a "new" machine.

[Zexila]

They released what they could assemble and test for mid 2017 and they have Mac with 6 core i processor, so your argument is moot.

[fmr]

They released what they could assemble and test for mid 2017 and they have Mac with 6 core i processor, so your argument is moot.

Oh really? which Mac is that?

And which CPU is the "new" iMac Pro based on? Did they still ignore that there are new i7 CPUs available?

[mrj1nx]

I tried messing about with Sculpture yesterday. Sounds pretty good with certain patches, but tweaking it is a nightmare. Small UI and lots of non-standard settings. I really hope they will turn their attention to reskinning Sculpture and Ultrabeat soon. While at it, they should probably make more of a general purpose modmatrix for Sculpture. Personally I would hope they make it look similar to Alchemy in general visual style. No fancy rounded shapes and so forth like they have in all the old logic plugins.

[Zexila]

They released what they could assemble and test for mid 2017 and they have Mac with 6 core i processor, so your argument is moot.

Oh really? which Mac is that?

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac ... specs.html

[fmr]

They released what they could assemble and test for mid 2017 and they have Mac with 6 core i processor, so your argument is moot.

Oh really? which Mac is that?

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac ... specs.html

"The iMac "Core i7" 4.2 27-Inch Aluminum (Retina 5K, Mid-2017/Kaby Lake) features a 14-nm "Kaby Lake" 4.2 GHz Intel "Core i7" processor (7700K) with four independent processor "cores" on a single chip"

[fmr]

I tried messing about with Sculpture yesterday. Sounds pretty good with certain patches, but tweaking it is a nightmare. Small UI and lots of non-standard settings. I really hope they will turn their attention to reskinning Sculpture and Ultrabeat soon. While at it, they should probably make more of a general purpose modmatrix for Sculpture. Personally I would hope they make it look similar to Alchemy in general visual style. No fancy rounded shapes and so forth like they have in all the old logic plugins.

In a word - dumb it down...

You realize that Sculpture is a "Physical Modeling" synth? There is little "standard" or "general purpose" about it.

I personally consider Sculpture one of most beautiful GUIs ever. But I guess the trend now is "flat and ugly" GUIs with few parameters, for users not to bother much

[Zexila]

They released what they could assemble and test for mid 2017 and they have Mac with 6 core i processor, so your argument is moot.

Oh really? which Mac is that?

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac ... specs.html

"The iMac "Core i7" 4.2 27-Inch Aluminum (Retina 5K, Mid-2017/Kaby Lake) features a 14-nm "Kaby Lake" 4.2 GHz Intel "Core i7" processor (7700K) with four independent processor "cores" on a single chip"

My bad, I apologize, why on earth I thought that was 6 core all this time, I learned something new today at least.