Do samples kill the *real* electronic music?

[ChamomileShark]

I'm not sure what "real" electronic music means - I'm so old school that I start from Music Concrete (which you could argue is entirely sample based) and Electonische (spelling probably wrong) which is synthesis based. I see those two approaches as the basis of electronic music from which all the rest of this has developed.

I still don't know whether film music using Kontakt libraries of orchestras are electronic or not but then I forget about it and do some music.

But then I get stuck over the term "music" too.

[BMoore]

What's this new thing called "samples"? Was it introduced at NAMM?

[Winstontaneous]

What's this new thing called "samples"? Was it introduced at NAMM?

And the great thing is that since they're only samples to give you a taste of the real thing - they're absolutely free, AND you can use them however you want!

[Digic]

Don't understand your problem entirely. Yes anyone can make music now. Anyone could done it 25 years ago with dedication. Today only what changed is technology and content delivery. And yes you can find gazillion of tracks but....

Only a few out of gazillion are real artistic tracks which can be called art or music. And only a few will stand test of time. So? True art still can't be faked even today.

So actually nothing changed. Sample., analog or whatever for that noone care. End listener does not care. Why should anyone care about how track is made. If track is good then it is good.

You have shitty tracks and you have amazing tracks. For both of these categories noone really care if it is made out of samples or whatever the f***

Real talented artist can make art out of anything really.

Others will blame tools and they will find excuses.

It was like that from the dawn of creation.

Nothing new here move on.

Word

[cron]

It's amazing how quickly the tide turns. Sampling was responsible for the single most radical musical movement of the 20th Century (hip-hop) and now we're wondering if it's killing music a mere 40 years later. Well, I suppose plenty of people thought sampling was killing music at the time too.

Truth is, lack of creativity is universal. It cuts across all musical boundaries. For every person using an unaltered, substantial loop in their electronic music, there's another with their screwface on repeatedly playing Stairway To Heaven on guitar in their bedroom. Even within electronic music, there are people smugly making every sonic element from scratch yet producing trite, derivative music.

Sample libraries promoting themselves as ready-made tracks are a symptom, not a cause. As long as people are happy to slap loops together and call it a day, people are gonna cater to them. I'm sure not all of them are sound designers on a deadline.

[egbert101]

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[jancivil]

Wow. Yeah, that makes "I thought writing a reply post about samples in music production would help my deal with the problem and get back to work but I guess it necessary for me to hear out more of your voices." seem even less insincere and more full of shit than I read it the first time.

There is no problem. That's obvious. It seems ironic to use as a launch point that 'electronic music' (a use of this term I utterly abhor anyway, a broad term but it means something really tiny if you have any historical perspective) is possibly 'too easy to make now'. Now, all of a sudden someone who would like to appeal chiefly to loops package vendors has noticed some hack journo talking this bollocks.

[ChamomileShark]

Sampling was responsible for the single most radical musical movement of the 20th Century (hip-hop) and now we're wondering if it's killing music a mere 40 years later..

Really? So not Cage, Stockhausen or the French music concrete crowd? Not even the Italian Futurists?

[fmr]

Sampling was responsible for the single most radical musical movement of the 20th Century (hip-hop) and now we're wondering if it's killing music a mere 40 years later..

Really? So not Cage, Stockhausen or the French music concrete crowd? Not even the Italian Futurists?

He doesn't know those, or what they did. He just started listening to music with hip-hop

You are wasting your time.

[egbert101]

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[cron]

Sampling was responsible for the single most radical musical movement of the 20th Century (hip-hop) and now we're wondering if it's killing music a mere 40 years later..

Really? So not Cage, Stockhausen or the French music concrete crowd? Not even the Italian Futurists?

He doesn't know those, or what they did. He just started listening to music with hip-hop

You are wasting your time.

I know them very well. None had the immediately transformative cultural and musical impact hip-hop did. These guys were recycling other people's music. Yeah, Musique Concrete occasionally did that (e.g. James Tenney's Blue Suede Study) but it wasn't built around that by default. Add use of the voice in a completely rhythmic/timbral way without a hint of melody and you've got, well, extremely radical music that's a larger conceptual break with the past than just about anything before it. And it stuck, then evolved. It changed the world.

Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees...

[egbert101]

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[thecontrolcentre]

The aliens?

[jancivil]

Sampling was responsible for the single most radical musical movement of the 20th Century (hip-hop) and now we're wondering if it's killing music a mere 40 years later..

Really? So not Cage, Stockhausen or the French music concrete crowd? Not even the Italian Futurists?

He doesn't know those, or what they did. He just started listening to music with hip-hop

You are wasting your time.

I know them very well. None had the immediately transformative cultural and musical impact hip-hop did. These guys were recycling other people's music.

Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees...

It would appear you have_no_idea what Stockhausen or Cage did. After showing your ass you have the actual gall to be condescending.

Hip hop is musically original, how? That's a rhetorical question, I have no interest in seeing more.

[cron]

edit: sod it