Logic Pro v10.4 is out

[masterhiggins]

Oh yeah?!? My DAW can beat up YOUR DAW!!!

[machinesworking]

Oh yeah?!? My DAW can beat up YOUR DAW!!!

If you're using Logic, it's kinda true, that's why I'm in this thread. DP9 is cool, but it's behind in a huge amount of features I want:

ARA support,
modern time stretching like Live's,
better bounce to disk features,
MPE support,
VCA faders.

I used Logic from v4 to 8 so it's a relatively easy jump back in.
I don't know if or when DP gets these features, but better bounce to disk options like rendering all tracks to separate audio files and VCA faders are pretty much becoming necessary for me these days.

[pdxindy]

Oh yeah?!? My DAW can beat up YOUR DAW!!!

If you're using Logic, it's kinda true, that's why I'm in this thread. DP9 is cool, but it's behind in a huge amount of features I want:

ARA support,
modern time stretching like Live's,
better bounce to disk features,
MPE support,
VCA faders.

I used Logic from v4 to 8 so it's a relatively easy jump back in.
I don't know if or when DP gets these features, but better bounce to disk options like rendering all tracks to separate audio files and VCA faders are pretty much becoming necessary for me these days.

Not only is Logic impressive... but both the rate of development (basically for free) and what they add/improve is too. The development team is clearly paying attention and has the resources to keep a swift pace.

[jonljacobi]

"I hated Microsoft because they did unfair business practices in the 90's"

Apple stole the ideas behind the Mac, unjustly litigated competing Digital Research and several other companies basically out of business, then tried the same thing on Microsoft. Only Microsoft had as much money for lawyers and Apple got nowhere. You could argue that Apple showed Microsoft the way to the sketchy strong-arm marketing that DOJ slapped MS down for.

Apple pays far less than you or I on a percentage basis in taxes and use cheap labor overseas like the rest of them. They're as bad as Microsoft and arrogant to boot. They just know, or knew how to design cool-looking stuff. They also have superb marketing.

But Logic, which is the topic here, is quite arguably best of breed and 10.4 is an impressive update. The DAW as a whole is impressive enough that I bought Macs to use it.

[v1o]

"I hated Microsoft because they did unfair business practices in the 90's"

Apple stole the ideas behind the Mac, unjustly litigated competing Digital Research and several other companies basically out of business, then tried the same thing on Microsoft. Only Microsoft had as much money for lawyers and Apple got nowhere. You could argue that Apple showed Microsoft the way to the sketchy strong-arm marketing that DOJ slapped MS down for.

Apple pays far less than you or I on a percentage basis in taxes and use cheap labor overseas like the rest of them. They're as bad as Microsoft and arrogant to boot. They just know, or knew how to design cool-looking stuff. They also have superb marketing.

But Logic, which is the topic here, is quite arguably best of breed and 10.4 is an impressive update. The DAW as a whole is impressive enough that I bought Macs to use it.

Nah Logic is just as shady in terms of business practices. The whole application is a giant loss leader which independent software developers cannot hope to ever compete with. Furthermore they have a habit of buying out small developers, discontinuing genuinely excellent product and then offering those products only within Logic. Like Redmatica and Camel Audio.

Remember Logic used to cost nearly 600 bucks retail. That old price reflected what it cost to produce such a piece of software. Right now it is being sold (dumped) on the market below cost at a massive loss to kill competition.

[pdxindy]

Apple pays far less than you or I on a percentage basis in taxes and use cheap labor overseas like the rest of them. They're as bad as Microsoft and arrogant to boot. They just know, or knew how to design cool-looking stuff. They also have superb marketing.

But Logic, which is the topic here, is quite arguably best of breed and 10.4 is an impressive update. The DAW as a whole is impressive enough that I bought Macs to use it.

Though it's an important subject, this is just not the place for discussions of corporate power...

Apple is not just good at making cool looking stuff... they also make effective stuff. They are also good at leveraging the advantage of controlling their whole eco-system. They are impressive! (for an evil corporation)

[pdxindy]

Nah Logic is just as shady in terms of business practices. The whole application is a giant loss leader which independent software developers cannot hope to ever compete with. Furthermore they have a habit of buying out small developers, discontinuing genuinely excellent product and then offering those products only within Logic. Like Redmatica and Camel Audio.

Remember Logic used to cost nearly 600 bucks retail. That old price reflected what it cost to produce such a piece of software. Right now it is being sold (dumped) on the market below cost at a massive loss to kill competition.

So what competing DAW's have been killed? I don't think you can lay Sonar at Apples door.

Actually, I disagree... I don't think Apple has an interest to kill off the competition in the DAW market. They want a healthy system of developers making Mac apps. And there are plenty of Mac DAW's. That is good for them. The more diversity of quality applications there are, the more Macs they sell.

[machinesworking]

Not only is Logic impressive... but both the rate of development (basically for free) and what they add/improve is too. The development team is clearly paying attention and has the resources to keep a swift pace.

I can't disagree. I've been watching training videos to catch up on it since I'm two versions behind, and they've done a lot of great stuff. I wish the interface was still dark though, I use the None More Black theme in DP9!

Nah Logic is just as shady in terms of business practices. The whole application is a giant loss leader which independent software developers cannot hope to ever compete with. Furthermore they have a habit of buying out small developers, discontinuing genuinely excellent product and then offering those products only within Logic. Like Redmatica and Camel Audio.

Remember Logic used to cost nearly 600 bucks retail. That old price reflected what it cost to produce such a piece of software. Right now it is being sold (dumped) on the market below cost at a massive loss to kill competition.

You know I don't buy it at all that Logic is a loss leader. Every DAW I know of costs $200 to upgrade, Logic cost $200 every time, no upgrades. The difference in initial purchase isn't enough to say Logic is losing money for them, especially when people will both complain and buy a mac to run it. Sure hardware is a bigger reason for Apple, but look at Reaper. It's arguably developed at a faster rate and has more features, (better VCA implementation etc.) and cost $60 with no hardware sales behind it to back it up. The developer made Winamp like 12 years ago, even if he made a couple million on it, if Reaper was not making him money he would have slowed development at the very least. If I still had a Mackie Control instead of the Slate Raven here for mixing I would have decided on Reaper actually, but the Raven doesn't support Reaper. That and the SL MKII control surface support in Reaper is a POS.

To be fair, it's dammed near impossible to get the kind of rabid fanbases both Apple and Cockos have, the stir Reaper caused right away with the $60 price point and Logic getting thousands of new customers from people convinced Apple can do not wrong can't be matched by Steinberg, Avid, and Bitwig etc. But I think all DAW developers might benefit from chopping down their initial price for sure.

Oh, and Ableton by proxy did similar things to me in terms of Pluggo, Cycling 74 immediatly announced they weren't developing in and embedding it into Live when Live got Max. Pretty much all successful companies buy technology and make it theirs, it's lame I suppose, if you hate capitalism.

[festeringheap]

Here is a pretty good idea of how the new horn section works, although he seemed to have trouble with a couple of articulations. Amazing. Realistic, imo.

And FREEEEE!

Looks great.

However, I am having a problem replicating something in this vid. Help!

Around the 15:00 mark, he starts to use individual instruments after using the Chicago section.

His MIDI clips for the solo instruments have Articulation dropdown. Mine don't. Is there a setting somewhere that I have to check off to get this feature? (I did have the Articulation dropdown for Chicago)

For clarification, I mean the dropdown when you work in the Midi region, as opposed to the actual plugin.

Thanks!

There's another way. You might want to check out this thread on LPHelp:

https://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/view ... 1&t=135414

Looks like you can also select and right click midi notes in the midi editor and get an Articulation option and choose there as well.

We may have it all figured out now.

[chk071]

Apple pays far less than you or I on a percentage basis in taxes

Do you really believe that? You must be earning a fortune.

If Apple had their company HQ in Germany, they'd be taxed about 50-60 %. And THAT is the reason why these companies have their HQ in countries which don't soak them dry. And the average wage here, or in similar countries is the reason why they produce in low wage countries. Be happy, otherwise you wouldn't be able to afford a computer, or a smartphone. And also, be happy for the countries they produce in. Otherwise the peeps there would have to do shitty farming work, for 1/10 of what they get at Apple, or elsewhere, and had to work much more for it.

[jonljacobi]

Sorry I took this to a new level. But the tax rate is documented.

Anyone having odd issues with flex audio? Maybe I did something wrong but it flexed an audio region to a new, faster tempo without asking.

[chk071]

Sorry I took this to a new level. But the tax rate is documented.

It is. That's why i'm wondering why you think you pay a higher tax percentage than a billion dollar corporation.

Anyway, back to the topic.

[Michael L]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leesheppar ... oid-taxes/

[chk071]

They all try to avoid taxes, that's why they have a whole financial department. Don't tell me you wouldn't want to avoid taxes, if you could. Noone here pays more taxes than Apple though. Keyword "progressive taxes". Even when they have their company HQ in the respective countries, they still pay more than you or me.

[Michael L]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/worl ... ersey.html