Logic Pro v10.4 is out

[jonljacobi]

My original point was that Apple is not indulging in saintly behavior, after someone said they were turned off by Microsoft blackmailing vendors in the 90's. Not that it's the avatar for corporate greed, though they do play the "game" well. Last I checked, Apple's effective tax rate was around 9%. I don't know what you pay, but I pay a higher rate than that. Better than GE though, which many years has paid no taxes at all. I'm not making this up, the information is out there.

To another argument... Logic is simply a loss leader for the hardware.

All I'm saying is don't buy from Apple because you somehow think it's a kind and gentle entity. It's not. Buy from Apple because you like the product. I like Logic. I like OS X.

[dupont]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/worl ... ersey.html

https://twitter.com/attac_fr/status/936926067000074241

[chk071]

Last I checked, Apple's effective tax rate was around 9%.

Where did you check that? As far as i'm concerned, you need a lot of different variables to be able to know those exact figures. And 9% seems absolutely utopic, even when you have your company HQ on some carribean island.

In the end though, people should appreciate paying 1700 € for their Macbook, and not 3000 €, which it would probably total to, when Apple had their company HQ somewhere in the US or EU, and would also manufacture there. I also don't quite get the attitude. I don't know anyone who wouldn't want to save on taxes, or complains when the city, or state he lives in charges him for city or state dues. In fact, i know several people who pay a financial advisor, to save some hundred Euros every year.

[chk071]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/worl ... ersey.html

https://twitter.com/attac_fr/status/936926067000074241

[Bombadil]

The EU has ruled that Apple must pay billions in back taxes. They use Ireland, and the Netherlands, I believe, to avoid paying their fair share. IMO, the problem isn't completely Apple's fault—responsibility also lies with the countries who are willing to prostitute themselves to get the income tax from the employees of the companies involved. So, when corporations pay minimal taxes on their profits, guess who pays more in income tax? A fine example of privatising profit, and socializing expenses. Everyone pays for the infrastructure that these companies use to make their killing. Last I read, Apple has liquid assets worth almost a trillion $$$, that's basically just sitting there.

All these huge corporations could collectively be called 'E-Corp.'

[chk071]

Last I read, Apple has liquid assets worth almost a trillion $$$, that's basically just sitting there.

See, stuff like that is just total nonsense... why would they do that, in their sane minds? I don't think there's anything which is being adressed these days, which is so distorted like economic things these days. It's just total BS, for the most part.

They probably talk about the share value there. Well, Apple couldn't do anything with that money anyway.

[masterhiggins]

Please save this discussion for HPC. Back to LPX...

[machinesworking]

My original point was that Apple is not indulging in saintly behavior, after someone said they were turned off by Microsoft blackmailing vendors in the 90's. Not that it's the avatar for corporate greed, though they do play the "game" well. Last I checked, Apple's effective tax rate was around 9%. I don't know what you pay, but I pay a higher rate than that. Better than GE though, which many years has paid no taxes at all. I'm not making this up, the information is out there.

To another argument... Logic is a simply a loss leader for the hardware.

All I'm saying is don't buy from Apple because you somehow think it's a kind and gentle entity. It's not. Buy from Apple because you like the product. I like Logic. I like OS X.

Fair enough, I was the one who pointed out Microsoft's monopoly scandal, but you seem to have not noticed that I was saying all companies are shady to some degree in response to the typical on KVR knee jerk reaction to any thread where Apple is mentioned of painting them out as worse than other large corporations, they are not worse.

Pretty much any thread here on Logic that's long enough becomes a thread where people argue the ethics of Apple, which is fatiguing. Apple is a red herring in the media these days much the same way Microsoft were in the 90's. There seems to be a thing within people to criticize and demonize whatever company is currently dominating in the free market. Expect the pressure to turn up on Amazon even further now that they're poised to become bigger than all the rest...

And not to drag this out, but read what I wrote earlier in this thread, if Logic is a loss leader explain why Reaper is still around? Selling a rapidly updating DAW for $60 with no hardware to back it up was explained away as a vanity project when it popped up, but going on 14 years later this explanation doesn't work. Simply put, a well thought out DAW with rapid updates can sell for $200 and under and still make a profit, especially if they have loyal customers who will by the upgrades. I'm an example. I owned Logic 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. I've worked in Live and DP for the last ten years and now I'm coming back. Both MOTU and Apple deserve credit for a zero fine policy in terms of upgrading. You could upgrade DP 1.0 to DP 9, no issues, and Logic is always at the upgrade price.

[machinesworking]

Please save this discussion for HPC. Back to LPX...

Skip over them, annoying I know, but it's a free world right?

I'm opening Logic right now, I'm sure my contributions will be more about Logic soon enough!

[Zexila]

Logic X is loss leader and what saved other DAW's is that you need Mac to run it, imagine Steinberg went all bananas and give away Cubase for 200 bucks without copy protection, I don't think we would have 4 pages of this thread right now.

[Krakatau]

to talk about Logic, i really feel that with the latest additions of internal plugins, among these the ones from Camel Audio (CamelPhat, Camelspace), it has becomes now a complete DAW on its own without major needs for additionnal plugins !

[dupont]

Please save this discussion for HPC. Back to LPX...

Back to LPX :
Apple Doesn't pay it's taxes in my country (for hospitals, schools, roads...) so why will I buy an overpriced mac and feed Apple shareholders ?
No mac, No LPX, simple.

Edit : not that simple : hackintosh.

[tq]

Sorry if this was hidden in the off-topic Mac vs. PC war, but: does anybody know when ARA2 support in Melodyne will be ready? As a user of both Melodyne and Logic, I find ARA support in Logic pretty amazing. From what I understand, the updated Melodyne version is in beta - so are we talking about weeks, months or years (Celemony is not the fastest company on the market... )?

[dupont]

Logic X is loss leader and what saved other DAW's is that you need Mac to run it, imagine Steinberg went all bananas and give away Cubase for 200 bucks without copy protection, I don't think we would have 4 pages of this thread right now.

Logic needs at least a 2500 $ machine to run and .... some 79 $ dongles.

[Zexila]

Logic X is loss leader and what saved other DAW's is that you need Mac to run it, imagine Steinberg went all bananas and give away Cubase for 200 bucks without copy protection, I don't think we would have 4 pages of this thread right now.

Logic needs at least a 2500 $ machine to run and .... some 79 $ dongles.

What's your point?