Tranzistow/Diodow

[Guenon]

The problem starts when the thing becomes a wall between me and a creative outlet of mine (the OSC).

There have been many extremely experimental synths covered in the OSC. Check out the list here:

https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/

Not all of them could have possibly been your cup of tea if this one isn't . It's no biggie, really! Another month, another synth. I think you have just started out on the OSC thing? And are eager to use a synth that resonates well with you. Rest assured, that will happen sooner or later.

[wagtunes]

The problem starts when the thing becomes a wall between me and a creative outlet of mine (the OSC).

There have been many extremely experimental synths covered in the OSC. Check out the list here:

https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/

Not all of them could have possibly been your cup of tea if this one isn't . It's no biggie, really! Another month, another synth. I think you have just started out on the OSC thing? And are eager to use a synth that resonates well with you. Rest assured, that will happen sooner or later.

You know, this whole thing started as a joke and wouldn't have even come to this had I not actually looked into this synth and started this seriously.

[Frantz]

The dev didn't make the synth for you. He made it for HIM. So he's done his thing. He's perfectly content with HIS creation that he made for HIM. That he's made it available to others at all is a credit to him considering he is asking for NO money. He owes nobody anything. Not when it's something he made for HIS use.

This is a textbook case of Stockholm Synth Syndrome -- the relationship between a difficult developer and the users who love him no matter what.

[chk071]

FWIW, i never got this attitude either. If he doesn't care about people using it, he should not release the software at all. There's no need to, if he did it "just for himself". It's also quite a shit attitude, because you won't be able to know what people like about your software, and what they dislike. Where you could improve it, and which parts are alright.

Frankly though, with such a GUI, i won't touch that thing anyway. There's already a big flaw thinking that such a GUI could be anywhere near as usable as a proper designed GUI.

@ wagtunes: I have no idea how you can render a GUI like Waldorf Largo's useless for you, and then use this. Unless you only find the Largo GUI useless, because it's white, and you have an issue with the contrast. When i look at these GUI's, i get dizzy, to say the least. Fortunately, even a computer's BIOS/UEFI doesn't look like that anymore. Totally unclear stuff.

[CrystalWizard]

I find his attitude refreshing. He made these tools for himself to his specifications to work on his system.

Who cares what a bunch of punters at KVR think or want ? Very refreshing.

So...

His attutude and attitudes like that from developers in general stinks.

You can't really complain that people have opinions when there are now two threads in KVR instruments promoting his instruments. If he doesn't want people using his software, then perhaps he shouldn't have a website promoting them.

Seems to me that your attitude stinks. Besides learning what "as is" means you could learn the difference between 'promoting' and sharing. The dev was Nice enough to share all of that work (not promote it), and is in no way obligated (or expected) to do anything more than that. If the instrument doesn't work or you don't like it then go play something else.

Learn what "as is" means. It's the ungrateful d-bags that will cause him to stop sharing these great synths and those of us who can actually appreciate generosity without crying for more will lose the ability to enjoy these works.

Again don't like it ? Move on..........

Indeed, a dev is nice enough to post something he/she created and people start whining, demanding, etc. What is their potential next step ? To not bother next time. Who loses? Those of us that actually do appreciate the generosity of a dev who posts instruments "as is."

[wagtunes]

FWIW, i never got this attitude either. If he doesn't care about people using it, he should not release the software at all. There's no need to, if he did it "just for himself". It's also quite a shit attitude, because you won't be able to know what people like about your software, and what they dislike. Where you could improve it, and which parts are alright.

Frankly though, with such a GUI, i won't touch that thing anyway. There's already a big flaw thinking that such a GUI could be anywhere near as usable as a proper designed GUI.

@ wagtunes: I have no idea how you can render a GUI like Waldorf Largo's useless for you, and then use this. Unless you only find the Largo GUI useless, because it's white, and you have an issue with the contrast. When i look at these GUI's, i get dizzy, to say the least. Fortunately, even a computer's BIOS/UEFI doesn't look like that anymore. Totally unclear stuff.

My problem with Largo's GUI is exactly that. The contrast is horrible. Different colors and it would have been fine and I would have bought it.

[Teksonik]

It scares me when we agree on something. LOL

Doesn't happen very often does it.......

It's also quite a shit attitude

Wow the irony is so thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.

Let me ask you something....have to ever contributing anything to KVR ? A patch, a sample, a skin, tutorial...anything ?

The only thing I've ever seen you do is constantly bitch and give us a brief period of peace and quiet when you were banned.

I don't think HrastProgrammer is even a member here and he's already contributed more than 99% of the regular members of KVR.

For the tenth time....don't like it....then move on. Ungrateful snowflakes.....

[egbert101]

This is a textbook case of Stockholm Synth Syndrome -- the relationship between a difficult developer and the users who love him no matter what.

The cultish behaviour and emotionalism is fast getting out of hand, especially in the other thread. KVR at its finest.

[Guenon]

This is a textbook case of Stockholm Synth Syndrome -- the relationship between a difficult developer and the users who love him no matter what.

Just to make sure, a clarification on my part: I hadn't heard of this plugin or developer before. It's only cool that creative people put their personal efforts/experiments out there for others to potentially enjoy, for free. I have no relationship with the dev, nor am I a "user who loves him no matter what", I don't even count myself as a user at this point -- just exploring the thing for the first time, like anyone else encountering something they want to check out further.

I do think it's somewhat strange that someone gets called "a difficult developer" just because they display and share their stuff as-is, to be used by those who may, with no customer/user support. Making it clear from the outset, all the while still welcoming you to take a peek, in case it's something you fancy. But yeah. Maybe this is enough about that. Time to concentrate on more positive stuff

If he doesn't care about people using it, he should not release the software at all. There's no need to, if he did it "just for himself". It's also quite a shit attitude, because you won't be able to know what people like about your software, and what they dislike. Where you could improve it, and which parts are alright.

I think there's a cultural difference at play here, sort of. When I read comments like this, I'm reminded that there are indeed people who see these things this way , and I feel like they are talking about different things altogether. To be sure: someone can care very much about likeminded people getting enjoyment out of a piece of software they wrote for themselves, and they can even be proud of a situation like that, even though they at the same time don't care at all about the people who don't share the same approach, needs and preferences to begin with. Putting software (or pretty much anything) out there in this specific manner is all about sharing things you think are neat, with others who might think the same way. It's not about building a polished product for anyone else, i.e. to accommodate a wider userbase.

It boggles my mind that someone can say, "he should not release the software at all", and that it's a "shit attitude", I think it's so great there are people in this world sharing all kinds of clever and mad and goofy and useful and niche and idiosyncratic stuff that someone might find and enjoy and experiment with. No matter whether it's some kind of software or anything else that this can be applied to.

Anyway, there are loads of experimental software like this out there, made for the needs of one or a handful of creative individuals and then released in public, just for the sake of "perhaps there's someone who enjoys this." Some of the stuff like this is available for those who personally ask for it, some of it is out in the open, like Diodow . But anyway, check these out, for example: https://peisik.untergrund.net/engines/

Out of that particular culture, also synths like Tunefish have come about: https://www.tunefish-synth.com/ ... also covered in the OSC on at least two different occasions.

As I said, time to concentrate on the positive stuff. There's no changing the opinion of those who think it's "wrong" and "shit" to share something as-is in this manner, of course. At its core it's an ideological divide of sorts, a difference in the way of looking at things like this.

The cultish behaviour and emotionalism is fast getting out of hand, especially in the other thread. KVR at its finest.

There's nothing cultish in pointing out these things. It's not about the specific synth even, it's a different way of thinking about stuff like this, appreciating acts of this sort of sharing instead of caling it a "shit attitude", that's all. In my opinion explaining this is more constructive than the counterpoint of being called shit and cultish and so on. That's why I'm repeating here, time to concentrate on the positive stuff again. After all, you are only weighing in with negativity at this point, for quite a while in this thread actually. No need to be dragged into it any further

[fluffy_little_something]

Some DAW's also have options to display any VST's parameters in lists or matrices, for instance the "generic editor" in Mulab, but it is really hard for people with visual minds.

[CrystalWizard]

FWIW, i never got this attitude either. If he doesn't care about people using it, he should not release the software at all. There's no need to, if he did it "just for himself". It's also quite a shit attitude, because you won't be able to know what people like about your software, and what they dislike. Where you could improve it, and which parts are alright.

Frankly though, with such a GUI, i won't touch that thing anyway. There's already a big flaw thinking that such a GUI could be anywhere near as usable as a proper designed GUI.

Wow, seriously? Just because the dev did it "for himself" them he should not have shared it? There is a difference between a commercial release and someone sharing a tool they designed and built for their own work. I realize that not everyone can grasp that concept. Once again for the more appreciative side of KVR we consider ourselves fortunate that we have access to Free (or no co$t anyway) synth. Seems like expecting anything from the dev is a shit attitude. The dev has a good attitude just for taking the time to post it and provide a few pages on it's operation. The entitled attitude is crap not the devs. Lastly the dev doesn't seem interested in opinions, especially from the entitled crowd.

[chk071]

It's also quite a shit attitude

Wow the irony is so thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.

Let me ask you something....have to ever contributing anything to KVR ? A patch, a sample, a skin, tutorial...anything ?

So, if company XY releases a free plugin, it is a contribution to the community eh? Naive much?

BTW, if you don't like me, there's no reason in letting that affect your opinion about my opinion, or even influencing a discussion you hold about something totally unrelated. And, i really wished you would let your personal feeling out of this. I have personal feelings about you too, but, they have nothing to do with this discussion.

[chk071]

FWIW, i never got this attitude either. If he doesn't care about people using it, he should not release the software at all. There's no need to, if he did it "just for himself". It's also quite a shit attitude, because you won't be able to know what people like about your software, and what they dislike. Where you could improve it, and which parts are alright.

Frankly though, with such a GUI, i won't touch that thing anyway. There's already a big flaw thinking that such a GUI could be anywhere near as usable as a proper designed GUI.

Wow, seriously? Just because the dev did it "for himself" them he should not have shared it? T

Of course he can. But, he should not be surprised about people sharing their opinions on this stuff then. That is in the nature of things. And, if i would release a plugin, i'd be damn thrilled to hear people's opinion about it. Otherwise, again, if i just built it for myself, then i'd see no point in sharing it, unless other people have a use for it as well.

[Guenon]

But, he should not be surprised about people sharing their opinions on this stuff then.

He hasn't said anywhere he's surprised about people sharing their opinions on this stuff . What has been said multiple times in this thread is, it's perfectly okay if you don't like what he has coded. That's the essence of as-is, even. What I have wanted to point out is, it doesn't make it a "shit attitude" if he doesn't then try to please the ones who hold that opinion of the software. People enjoy different things, and are interested in using different stuff. That's okay, and this was made available for those (and only those) who might enjoy stuff specifically like this.

[fluffy_little_something]

The developer doesn't even seem to be interested in spreading the news about his plugins, I had never heard of them before, frankly.