ProTools dropped Windows 7 support - well, that's Pro....

[fedexnman]

My wife's old Aluminum MacBook is a SNAIL ... It has 2gb of ram in it , I told her to give me some money and I'd upgrade the RAM and see if it helps it is a SNAIL ...... It hangs when trying to open any application and the internet browser hangs too . It's an absolute piece of shizzle . Reminds me of Vista .

[JJ_Jettflow]

Really? I have been building my own PCs since the Core Duo days and always had great success. I just upgraded my DAW to a Ryzen 7 1800 with a new board memory and CPU for $650 USD. Runs great.

Happy for you, my friend just upgraded to new similarly speced iMac for video editing and didn't had single crash and do things so much faster, it seems Adobe knows how to code for OS X, horsepower isn't everything, my machine is same, maybe it's just the OS, lags so much, things get unresponsive and sometimes just crash, even opening browser needs some time, my 12 old underspeced Macbook runs browser better than my assembled and optimized by same as you DIY guru.

If it runs like that, the DIY guru who assembled it and optimized it is not the same as me. Like I said, mine runs great. YOu need to have it looked at by someone else.

[Zexila]

My wife's old Aluminum MacBook is a SNAIL ... It has 2gb of ram in it , I told her to give me some money and I'd upgrade the RAM and see if it helps it is a SNAIL ...... It hangs when trying to open any application and the internet browser hangs too . It's an absolute piece of shizzle . Reminds me of Vista .

Does she run Vista pardon Lion on it?

[Zexila]

If it runs like that, the DIY guru who assembled it and optimized it is not the same as me. Like I said, mine runs great. YOu need to have it looked at by someone else.

Look at what, what would you or somebody else do, change parts, do some secret Windows optimizations only some small circle of DIY builders knows about? This thing is highly optimized and tweaked, Windows on it is few days old, this is my second PC and I have the similar OS experience like before, people I know have this kind of experience with their systems, maybe we are just that unfortunate.

Some guys I know even have made hackintoshes and reported that OS X runs way smoother on same hardware than Windows, folks with Boot Camps too.

Let's drop it, you won't change my mind and experience I have with it, I don't care to change yours.

[shidostrife]

Let me get that straight... You do not want to upgrade your OS. It's stable and doesn't need patching ever again.

Apply the same logic to ProTools: do not upgrade since it is stable and doesn't need any patching ever again.

Happy now?

+1

[chk071]

Let me get that straight... You do not want to upgrade your OS. It's stable and doesn't need patching ever again.

Apply the same logic to ProTools: do not upgrade since it is stable and doesn't need any patching ever again.

Happy now?

One is never happy without a proper rant on KVR.

Well, i'll just post what i always post: If Avid wouldn't think the Windows 7 userbase was so small t hat it is neglectable, they wouldn't stop supporting Windows 7... why spend money and effort, if the userbase NOT using Windows 7 is so much bigger?

[fedexnman]

My wife's old Aluminum MacBook is a SNAIL ... It has 2gb of ram in it , I told her to give me some money and I'd upgrade the RAM and see if it helps it is a SNAIL ...... It hangs when trying to open any application and the internet browser hangs too . It's an absolute piece of shizzle . Reminds me of Vista .

Does she run Vista pardon Lion on it?

You know Vista ran like crap if you didn't have at least 3gb ram .... So, I'm guessing it is Lion . Do you think if I update the RAM it'll speed it up ? Lolz my mind is telling me yes but my wallet is telling me no ..... I'm feeling like R. Kelly this laptop is a slow " Bump in grind " .....

[chk071]

Does she run Vista pardon Lion on it?

You know Vista ran like crap if you didn't have at least 3gb ram .... [/quote]
It ran perfectly fine here, on 2 machines with 2 GB Ram. Actually, it more or less ran exactly the same way Windows 7 ran on it, after Vista.

It just adds to what i suspect anyway: In the Vista times, it was becoming more and more standard to ship out laptops and PC's with lots of bloatware pre-installed, thus people felt like Vista would completely stress out their machines.

[Zexila]

You know Vista ran like crap if you didn't have at least 3gb ram .... So, I'm guessing it is Lion . Do you think if I update the RAM it'll speed it up ? Lolz my mind is telling me yes but my wallet is telling me no ..... I'm feeling like R. Kelly this laptop is a slow " Bump in grind " .....

Just downgrade her to 10.6.8 if she doesn't rely heavily on some unsupported apps, more RAM will for sure speed thighs up, SSD too, score some cheap second hand parts and it will for sure give then new life to that old machine.

[JJ_Jettflow]

If it runs like that, the DIY guru who assembled it and optimized it is not the same as me. Like I said, mine runs great. YOu need to have it looked at by someone else.

Look at what, what would you or somebody else do, change parts, do some secret Windows optimizations only some small circle of DIY builders knows about? This thing is highly optimized and tweaked, Windows on it is few days old, this is my second PC and I have the similar OS experience like before, people I know have this kind of experience with their systems, maybe we are just that unfortunate.

All optimizations for PCs can be found on the internet. No secrets, just plain research. Lots of things need to be changed in the BIOS for DAWs and this too can be found on the web. Lots of problems in PCs occur from memory problems. Instead of using the generic BIOS settings, changing them to match the memory's specs makes a big difference. All power saving functions, core parking and the have to be disabled.

These are just a few of the things a competent "DIY guru" or someone who can search and read on the internet can "look at" to make sure everything has been done right because if you are experiencing problems like that, there is definitely something wrong somewhere. Countless people use PCs for DAWs and only have problems like that when something is wrong.

[Zexila]

If it runs like that, the DIY guru who assembled it and optimized it is not the same as me. Like I said, mine runs great. YOu need to have it looked at by someone else.

Look at what, what would you or somebody else do, change parts, do some secret Windows optimizations only some small circle of DIY builders knows about? This thing is highly optimized and tweaked, Windows on it is few days old, this is my second PC and I have the similar OS experience like before, people I know have this kind of experience with their systems, maybe we are just that unfortunate.

All optimizations for PCs can be found on the internet. No secrets, just plain research. Lots of things need to be changed in the BIOS for DAWs and this too can be found on the web. Lots of problems in PCs occur from memory problems. Instead of using the generic BIOS settings, changing them to match the memory's specs makes a big difference. All power saving functions, core parking and the have to be disabled.

These are just a few of the things a competent "DIY guru" or someone who can search and read on the internet can "look at" to make sure everything has been done right because if you are experiencing problems like that, there is definitely something wrong somewhere. Countless people use PCs for DAWs and only have problems like that when something is wrong.

I made it bold, it's tweaked everywhere and I know all those optimization guides, that's why I said, if you have some secret one that I or guys that build me these machine don't know about, I let them tweak more, so let's just drop it.

But my point stays, I would rather have someone competent as you or Kaine to build me machine and I would pay extra for that amazing work, if the system would work in perfect symbiosis with hardware and gave me better experience than one I have now. But right now, guess I would pay extra for a Mac.

Don't get me wrong, Windows works fine and it's not happening anything unusual, I just don't find it as snappy as OS X, especially under heavier load, it starts to lag more and stuff get unresponsive faster, also Bitwig is acting like a dog, had whole system freezes and crashes, sometimes I wait for few minutes for anything to open, it's suicide trying to copy any files with few things open, everything starts to lag and get unresponsive, way more than OS X under similar conditions, dunno, maybe I just spent too much time with great OS (10.6. and DAW (Logic 9) to appreciate anything less than that.

[JJ_Jettflow]

If it runs like that, the DIY guru who assembled it and optimized it is not the same as me. Like I said, mine runs great. YOu need to have it looked at by someone else.

Look at what, what would you or somebody else do, change parts, do some secret Windows optimizations only some small circle of DIY builders knows about? This thing is highly optimized and tweaked, Windows on it is few days old, this is my second PC and I have the similar OS experience like before, people I know have this kind of experience with their systems, maybe we are just that unfortunate.

All optimizations for PCs can be found on the internet. No secrets, just plain research. Lots of things need to be changed in the BIOS for DAWs and this too can be found on the web. Lots of problems in PCs occur from memory problems. Instead of using the generic BIOS settings, changing them to match the memory's specs makes a big difference. All power saving functions, core parking and the have to be disabled.

These are just a few of the things a competent "DIY guru" or someone who can search and read on the internet can "look at" to make sure everything has been done right because if you are experiencing problems like that, there is definitely something wrong somewhere. Countless people use PCs for DAWs and only have problems like that when something is wrong.

I made it bold, it's tweaked everywhere and I know all those optimization guides, that's why I said, if you have some secret one that I or guys that build me these machine don't know about, I let them tweak more, so let's just drop it.

But my point stays, I would rather have someone competent as you or Kaine to build me machine and I would pay extra for that amazing work, than have this experience. But right now, guess I would pay extra for a Mac.

So let me bold it; just because it is tweaked doesn't mean it is tweaked right because if it was it wouldn't run like you say. So you are either exaggerating the situation or it is not set up properly....period.

But its your money; waste it on what you want.

[Zexila]

So let me bold it; just because it is tweaked doesn't mean it is tweaked right because if it was it wouldn't run like you say. So you are either exaggerating the situation or it is not set up properly....period.
But its your money; waste it on what you want.

Again, if you can make it to work better, how much do you charge for it? I got grip about what Kaine from SCAN does for a living, do you claim you have same knowledge and info as him or you just know how to put up few components by specs and be happy it works?

Guess I just got used to have solid OS and DAW experience for too long to appreciate anything less than that, enjoy your tweaking adventures, I will make music instead.

Updated my last post, but here is:

Don't get me wrong, Windows works fine and it's not happening anything unusual, I just don't find it as snappy as OS X, especially under heavier load, it starts to lag more and stuff get unresponsive faster, also Bitwig is acting like a dog, had whole system freezes and crashes, sometimes I wait for few minutes for anything to open, it's suicide trying to copy any files with few things open, everything starts to lag and get unresponsive, way more than OS X under similar conditions, dunno, maybe I just spent too much time with great OS ( 10.6.8 ) and DAW ( Logic 9 ) to appreciate anything less than that.

[JJ_Jettflow]

But its your money; waste it on what you want.

Again, if you can make it to work better, how much do you charge for it?

Nothing. I do not even charge to put them together for people. Remember, old hippie-type here and I believe all musicians are bothers and sisters and should try to help each other because no one else will...that's for sure.

So if you are getting BSOD it most likely is memory related.

If your DAW if sluggish it most likely is energy savings setting in the BIOS.

You could need a BIOS flash update or driver update.

These are just a few things off the top of my head.

If it is just acting unstable it is most likely a service that has been shut off. One guy I knew was getting really bad crashes and it turned out he had gutted Cortana and took a few necessary files along with it. Had to reinstall the whole O/S.

[Zexila]

But its your money; waste it on what you want.

Again, if you can make it to work better, how much do you charge for it?

Nothing. I do not even charge to put them together for people. Remember, old hippie-type here and I believe all musicians are bothers and sisters and should try to help each other because no one else will...that's for sure.

So if you are getting BSOD it most likely is memory related.

If your DAW if sluggish it most likely is energy savings setting in the BIOS.

You could need a BIOS flash update or driver update.

These are just a few things off the top of my head.

If it is just acting unstable it is most likely a service that has been shut off. One guy I knew was getting really bad crashes and it turned out he had gutted Cortana and took a few necessary files along with it. Had to reinstall the whole O/S.

I'm not having BSOD's, everything is tweaked properly, BIOS is flashed, everythign is updated, it's not unstable, it works great, but not better than OS X, I already explained, I got used to solid experience and this thing lags far too often, get's unresponsive far too often, it works like a dog under the load far too often, I got used to different OS experience and that's it.

But reading what Kaine from SCAN does for a living made me rethink that there's for sure symbiosis of hardware and software there in equation too to squeeze that last bite, with Mac you don't need to think about that, Apple's Kaine did his job, but with DIY or you get lucky or you buy from SCAN or other professional DAW builders.