What would be the most valuable longterm investment of 100 USD/EUR for a DAW?

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I'm a hobbyist who would never want to spend much on a DAW because music is not my profession.

I'm composing MIDI sequences for ambient and new-age kinds of music and using VST instruments (mostly free) just for my own fun and sharing with some close friends.

I don't care much about audio recording, samples, time stretching, crazy (in good sense - I know people can create amazing weird sounds) synth configurations. I want to put more accent on melody and general feeling and not trying to be "cool and modern" with complex electronic sounds.

Chord helping tools would be fine for composing. I'm a everlasting beginner at music theory but keep refreshing my knowledge from time to time. I can also use toneSpace VST or something like that to get some "chordial inspirations" :D but having something built into DAW might be a big bonus for me.

I would like intuitive workflow, drag&drop, clean user interface. I don't like software where I open context menu and see like 20 items and I don't need most of them but still I have to visually scan and mentally analyse all of them to find the one that is more appropriate for current task. Reaper, although being great and powerful tool, suffers from this issue. If you are professional and use it daily then you learn it all and can find things fast. But if you open your DAW a few times in a month, you might forget things and then it slows down to read through all those menus and refresh your memory.

I took a look at some options.

I really like Studio One workflow. But their Artist edition doesn't have VST support and it has to be bought additionally ... for almost the same price as the DAW itself! That's insane price for such a basic function as general VST host.

Cubase Elements seems to offer more for this price. As I understand, Elements has Chord pads and no external VST limitations? At least, I couldn't find any mention of requiring something special for third party VST in Cubase editions comparison page. I just hope I'm not wrong here. Third party VST is a must. And I'm not sure about the Cubase workflow; will try that out soon. I've heard they are changing things and their UI is coming closer to Presonus. Is it true? Does new Cubase workflow really benefit from these changes or does it feel artificial, foreign to the entire Cubase philosophy?

So, what would you recommend? Should I go for Cubase Elements? Is there anything better for the same price?

But remember - there is no way I would ever upgrade to the next level and pay more than 100$ for the DAW itself. So, I'll have to live with what I buy now.

Some rant follows.

I don't like artificial limitations. I agree that more than 2 channel support, advanced mixing consoles, Melodyne, audio stretching and beat matching should be left for professionals for appropriate price. But to heavily limit track count, available inserts/sends, removing third party VST support to me feels the same as intentionally breaking a screen of an iPhone just to sell it for a lower price.

Upgrade policy and pricing is also important. If a DAW adds new workflows that make my work easier, I would want that unless I have to pay like 50% of my initial investment just for the upgrade. That just kills my sense of loyalty. DAW is a long term investment and I feel like putting lots of trust and my working hours, but then if a new version comes out and an upgrade costs are high, I feel like being cheated: "Hey, if you hadn't bought our product a year ago and waited a year instead then you would get so much more for the same 100$." At least, on Cubase page I see that their upgrade from previous editions are priced at 20$, so it's somewhat acceptable to spend once a year or so, if I find new edition to have something worthy.

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Cubase Elements is very good value for what it offers, I have Pro and Elements on a laptop and it's very capable (although I'm more into Bitwig these days). Other options are waveform/tracktion which there's usually an older free version, Reaper is cheap but probably falls into your complex menus category. As far as I remember I think Studio one was designed by ex-cubase developers. There's a new DAW called Soundbridge around that's free-ish which looks interesting

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This entire forum is wading through predictions, opinions, barely formed thoughts, drama, and whining. If you don't enjoy that, why are you here? :D ShawnG

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Mulab is can match anything your skill and imagination can come up with. Check out ‘Taronium’ On SoundCloud who uses Mulab for everything. The modular is also nice for automating parameters for ambient style sounds.

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Also community and forum are amazing, like it's not on KVR, awesome helping guys and main developer Jo, be sure to visit
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You can even get MuLab free for doing a showcase project
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Elements is fantastic. I use it on the Surface Pro due to it not requiring a dongle.
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Cubase Elements is really good.

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Tracktion Waveform has a new version coming out that will have a chord track that looks cool :)
If you look here:
https://www.tracktion.com/
There is a preview video. Might be worth a watch.

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I agree that Cubase Elements is a solid choice, but I recommend demoing everything you might be interested in. While Cubase may have some nice compositional tools, you may not find the interface intuitive, and you can only use 64-bit plug-ins without a 3rd party bridging solution. As it stands, upgrading to a higher tier means purchasing/using a hardware dongle, plus Steinberg has been charging for every .5 upgrade.

Mixcraft and Waveform are worth considering IMO.

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telecharge wrote:I agree that Cubase Elements is a solid choice, but I recommend demoing everything you might be interested in. While Cubase may have some nice compositional tools, you may not find the interface intuitive, and you can only use 64-bit plug-ins without a 3rd party bridging solution. As it stands, upgrading to a higher tier means purchasing/using a hardware dongle, plus Steinberg has been charging for every .5 upgrade.

Mixcraft and Waveform are worth considering IMO.
Solid advice.
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Prob Reaper even though i don't use it ..its deep and good value for money
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I'd also recommend Cubase Elements. For the music you want to do, the lack of sidechaining in Elements probably is not too much of a limitation. And, it's a solid DAW, which is fun and easy to learn, while providing a potential "upgrade path", if you happen to like Elements, you can always upgrade to Artist at some point, which is pretty affordable, when they do a sale.

Otherwise, you could also look for a used license of Studio One Pro. Or, buy a cheap Studio One 2 Producer license, and upgrade to 3 Pro, when they have a sale. That's how i did it, and i paid about 130 € for both.

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chk071 wrote:I'd also recommend Cubase Elements. For the music you want to do, the lack of sidechaining in Elements probably is not too much of a limitation.
Sidechain can be obtained in Elements via MUX. Admittedly at an extra cost.
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"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

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Good to know. :tu:

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