The factory samples are really very tame. I suspect that they were even made with the synth itself. I honestly don't see a problem with using factory samples (though I am staying away from them) but we'll have to wait for the word from BJ.Guenon wrote:Taron wrote:I'm pretty sure you guys went already through a lengthy "samples"-discussion, but my two cents are: TOTALLY NO! Because this is not at all like the Thorn situation.cripes. Hmm, I think it's gonna be a can of worms if factory presets are off limits? Also, I got the feeling these included samples are mostly of the "noises and curiosity colors" variety, and usable as such extras, not really enough "load an instrument sample and play your tune with those" stuff in there to take the actual challenge off the rails imo.
By the way, where is he? It's February 4th and this thread still hasn't been pinned. Something's up.
....well, you're obviously on "posting"-fire! 
"Posting" fire and "better mix" fire are not the same thing! "Posting" fire means I'm completely baffled, having a ton of fun, or both. This month it is the latter. "Better mix" means the cans are helping, I hope. I'm feeling a more hi-fi vibe when mixing, but that may just be the recent re-discovery of Tal Reverb 4 and beer. Either way, I feel like my usual 80's drum design is coming together with Diodow after a huge struggle with envelopes....the gabber has kick blasted me to 2002.
... I mean, if you examine the samples that are used in the factory presets, you will find that most of that material serves a similar "noise colors" role in this package as the samples did in the Thorn installation. The technical setting is different than with Thorn, naturally; however, note that with Thorn even importing your own samples as spectral data and used as animated spectral "keyframes" was allowed (there was speech based on custom audio done in this manner in some entry, for example, and so on). There were very valid technical arguments as to why importing your own audio data to be analyzed and reproduced like this was okay, but in turn, that made me go "hmm" and I wanted to personally draw a line at that, and so I didn't import any custom audio in my entry 
... There is something beautiful to be found in a limited selection of stock factory samples as well, imo, as you can try to stretch what you can achieve with those as a part of a patch, blending in with the rest of the engine. Sooo yeah, I do see it as a "okay, this synth comes with this sort of raw data, and only this raw data, that one can try to incorporate into their own fully synthetic sounds as well as they can, if they can, and if they see it suitable for their aesthetic goals" situation more than taking away at the qualities of the synth