u-he Repro (Repro-1 & Repro-5) released

[braj]

Teisco actually was a Kawai related brand, not the same as that retail outlet

I actually almost bought one of these bad boys:

http://www.vintagesynth.com/kawai/sx210.php



I did eventually buy a Kawai K3.

[v1o]

Let’s hear some rock specific synth sounds.

[spirit]

@Fluffy: What am I listening for on the SOS band example? It was all bog-standard 80s disco synth to my ears.

[fluffy_little_something]

@Fluffy: What am I listening for on the SOS band example? It was all bog-standard 80s disco synth to my ears.

Bands like the SOS Band indeed made what one might call nu disco to a certain extent, after disco as such ended in 1980 or so. They made heavy use of synth.
Already during the 70's, i.e. THE decade of disco music, bands like Chic mixed disco and R&B quite a bit.

I never said R&B had nothing to do with disco, to the contrary. I said R&B did not use rock sounds as someone had claimed. Indeed it was rock musicians that hated disco and tried to put an end to it.

Whether one refers to SOS Band as American disco or R&B, I don't care, both did not use rock synth sounds. It also applies to the drum sounds, although not intended by Roland, their drum machines became very important in modern black music. Those rather synthetic drum and percussion sounds were usually not used in rock music.

Also, there are some dedicated R&B sound sets out there for some synths, which also acknowledges the distinct sounds of that genre.

[lofty]

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[fluffy_little_something]

“Rock musicians hated disco”

Didn’t the fuss of that DiscoSucks rally in the baseball park indicate it was mostly racist homophobes that hated on unfamiliar music so hard?

What about System7 heading out tripping to sounds like Parliament and Earth, Wind & Fire played over the early Funktion1 rigs?

I figure open ears find decent music wherever...mostly bigots and collectors that obsess about specific genres.

This (pretty off-topic) discussion is about synth sounds...

[spirit]

I always thought disco sounded like energetic elevator muzak, it certainly didn't break any new ground in synth sounds.

[wagtunes]

"rock synth sounds"

You crack me up. LMAO.

[fluffy_little_something]

I don't think so, Rock synths have always been lame compared to R&B synths. The latter actually came from 70's Fusion and Jazz in my view. Herbie Hancock, Quincy Jones etc. They were synth pioneers.

80s R&B was often full of synths, think of SOS Band, Loose Ends etc. Lots of sounds that were never used in Rock music.

Depends on what rock music you listened to. Sure, if all you listened to were the "hits" yeah, same old crap. But there were underground rock bands that took synths to places nobody else did. So by the time the R&B guys got a hold of these things, all they were doing was rehashing what the true pioneers were doing long before.

And this has been true throughout the history of music.

What's funny about it? For three pages we have been talking about synth sounds, because I said someone should make an R&B sound set for Repro.
And you knew we were talking about synth sounds, judging from that post of yours from a week ago...

[wagtunes]

I don't think so, Rock synths have always been lame compared to R&B synths. The latter actually came from 70's Fusion and Jazz in my view. Herbie Hancock, Quincy Jones etc. They were synth pioneers.

80s R&B was often full of synths, think of SOS Band, Loose Ends etc. Lots of sounds that were never used in Rock music.

Depends on what rock music you listened to. Sure, if all you listened to were the "hits" yeah, same old crap. But there were underground rock bands that took synths to places nobody else did. So by the time the R&B guys got a hold of these things, all they were doing was rehashing what the true pioneers were doing long before.

And this has been true throughout the history of music.

What's funny about it? For three pages we have been talking about synth sounds, because I said someone should make an R&B sound set for Repro.
And you knew we were talking about synth sounds, judging from that post of yours from a week ago...

Yeah, you totally missed the point of my last remark.

Good. I'll let you think about it for a long, long time.

Because yeah, this whole subject cracks me up. LMAO.

[fluffy_little_something]

There was no point, at least none that made sense...

[wagtunes]

There was no point, at least none that made sense...

Let me tell you something my friend (and I use that term loosely here) if you took all the knowledge you have of music from the 60s through the 80s, if would fit inside my pinky next to my own knowledge from the era.

I may not DO a lot of things very well. Hell, I probably don't do ANYTHING very well. But one thing I know is my music history. From the age of 7 (I'm now 60) I did nothing but study music. I was totally fascinated by it. When the first commercially released "synth" records came out, I was all over them. I lived from issue to issue of Keyboard Magazine, studying every new synth and every record I could get my hands on that used it. In the early years, you didn't have the sound palette that we have now. Something like Serum, which by the way you said sounded ugly, didn't exist. You had a few waveforms and a few filters. There was only so much you could do.

These so called "sounds" you associate with R&B are not R&B exclusive sounds. They are STYLES. If you took these sounds and put them under an oscilloscope, you would find, much to your shock and horror, that they are not all that different from the "sounds" used on rock records or pop records.

And while I'd love to spend the next month of my life proving how TOTALLY WRONG you are, you're just not worth anymore of my time than I've already given you, which has been WAY TOO MUCH.

You want to believe in your delusional mind that there are "R&B specific synth sounds" by all means, knock yourself out.

All of us who actually know ANYTHING about music history knows that's a total crock.

Enjoy your day.

And NO, I'm NOT posting any examples. Go find them yourself.

[fluffy_little_something]

The patches themselves are also different, not just the playing styles. After all, R&B bands such as SOS Band, Loose Ends etc. used to use their own sounds. You can hear the same distinct patches across most Jam/Lewis productions, for instance.

You will not see much on an oscilloscope because that device shows waveforms. It may only tell you that two patches were made using the same synth, for instance a particular Minimoog saw. But it won't tell you much about the key sound parameters such as Attack, Decay etc., which literally shape a patch and give it much of its character.

Regarding Serum, I have never tried it myself, but I don't like the patches I have heard so far, but I don't know to which extent that is due to sound design or to the synth's basic sound.

[wagtunes]

The patches themselves are also different, not just the playing styles. After all, R&B bands such as SOS Band, Loose Ends etc. used to use their own sounds. You can hear the same distinct patches across most Jam/Lewis productions, for instance.

You will not see much on an oscilloscope because that device shows waveforms. It may only tell you that two patches were made using the same synth, for instance a particular Minimoog saw. But it won't tell you much about the key sound parameters such as Attack, Decay etc., which literally shape a patch and give it much of its character.

Regarding Serum, I have never tried it myself, but I don't like the patches I have heard so far, but I don't know to which extent that is due to sound design or to the synth's basic sound.

Keep living in your small little made up world if it makes you happy.

Those here who know the facts know I'm right.

And that's all I care about.

[fluffy_little_something]

Yeah, right...