v3 Beta Feedback And Discussion (Bugs, Features, Suggestions)

[BluGenes]

Ok, decided it really isn't a bug.. just looks like one. here are my steps...

my default new composition is 12 bars, beats =4, tempo = 120, use scale degrees = yes, start with empty master track = no.

on new composition, change the key from C to A. Now change the chord names from notation to names in the master track. Progression is correct.

new composition, change the chord notation to names on master track, now change the key from C to A. progression is incorrect based on default I IV V. Change the master track back to notation, progression changes to the II, etc., for the new key.

At first, it looked like a bug, but, actually you would want this behavior.


My Video...

[magicmusic]

Hi Attila

many VSTi(mostly choir or vocal vsti) do legato and bend or portamento if notes overlap. In rythm edit can with shift the length of a note make shorter in fine steps. If it is possible to make the note only 1 or 2 midi ticks larger then can do legato expressions very good in RC too. when use portamento time setting then can also create pitch bend simular. because when notes overlap the notes are bend to next note. and if this is possible if rc generator detect a overlapping rythm step it do then create the next note only 0 1 or 2 steps higher in phrase generator, because portamento or legato play is not do over many note steps. or there can be a option. limit range when notes should legato play. It can be a popup that offer off -2/+2 0/+2, because on guitar can only bend up

The chord preview and the phrase now always sound same.thanks now it work perfect

[nexussynth]

Unusual behavior from a few betas back (just now got around to reporting it!) but if you insert Kontakt as a VSTi in a track it works okay but if you assign another track to Kontakt it will only allow you to open another instance of Kontakt until you first save the composition, close RC and then open it again, after which you can see the option at the top of the VST list to use the existing instance of Kontakt or open another.

I have been living with this for awhile but is this actually a bug or a limitation? Can you look into this Attila?

btw, i have solved the problem with Kontakt stuck notes. I must turn off completely the release samples for each instrument then it's fine. Not a big problem at all.

This is with RC stand alone

[lulukom]

Hello Attila!
You have perfectly implemented the interface for hidden browsers (now you can also organize tracks)) ..
Today I would like to talk about the development of the idea of drag and drop for browsers and inspectors ...
Consider my screenshot:
1. From the browser chords you can drag the chord into the master track, but it is logical to expect that from the browser of scales it is also possible to drag the scale into the master track .. I would like it to work.
2. It would be nice to be able to drag variations from the browser and from the track inspector directly to the head of the track.
3. And still drag variations between browsers and track inspectors and phrase inspectors.
Thank you.

[magicmusic]

How can get working era 2 Vocal Vodex best with the articualtion in newest rc ?

Era 2 Vocal Codex there is a demo version with a few notes but all articulations. that show how articulations cause problems in RC

when a note have a articulation, how can see the name of this articulation ?
overlapping notes are usefull in phrase generator rythm to have legato.
modwheel (ctrl 1) is need to change the legato to o i u a Vowels depend on value. for example the articulation La Le Li Lo Lu sing depend on mod wheel La or Le. Is there possible to use notes that output a controller value ?

The words that are in for example Cordum sing on low velocity Cor higher velocity dum and full velocity cordum. If have a overlapping note it sing depend on mod wheel the vowel. so press key with ctrl 1 mod wheel is 0 sing Coraaaaa. have mod wheel 127 sing Coruuuuu

I create a rcctrl file, i see no error but there can choose Era 2 Vocal codex, but not the group Celtia or Bard.
The vocal codex library contain 4 singers, have lots feature for price, cost around 160$ the demo have 2 singer. so i create first a file for 2 singers

The 0$ demos you can get from here.https://www.bestservice.com/engine_artists_library.html
here are also other library that contain lots of articulation and it is important to have overlapping notes in rythm of phrase generator to use legato play

see video so you can see how it work in RC.



## Controller and articulation definitions

controllerset="Era 2 Vocal Codex";
controller={name="Modulation"; num=1; default=0; },{name="Volume"; num=7; default=64; },{name="Sustain"; num=64; default=0; off=0; on=127; },{name="Legato"; num=68; default=0; off=0; on=127; },{name="Reverb"; num=91; default=64; },{name="VarIntonation"; num=22; default=0; },{name="VarTimbre"; num=23; default=0; },{name="Portamento"; num=29; default=0; },{name="Length"; num=21; default=0; },{name="VibratoSpeed"; num=17; default=0; };

group="Celtia"; articulation="Vowels"; keyswitch="C2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="Ornament 1"; keyswitch="C#2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="Ornament 2"; keyswitch="D2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="La Le Li Lo Lu"; keyswitch="D#2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="Na Ne Ni No Nu"; keyswitch="E2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="Sa Se Si So Su"; keyswitch="F2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="Broh-nur"; keyswitch="F#2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="CorDum"; keyswitch="G2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="CraNor"; keyswitch="G#2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="CrenShil"; keyswitch="A2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="EshLing"; keyswitch="A#2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="GaReth"; keyswitch="B2";
group="Celtia"; articulation="InGrat"; keyswitch="C3";
group="Celtia"; articulation="KalRas"; keyswitch="C#3";
group="Celtia"; articulation="LunFir"; keyswitch="D3";
group="Celtia"; articulation="ShoHem"; keyswitch="D#3";

group="Bard"; articulation="Vowels"; keyswitch="C2";
group="Bard"; articulation="SalVe"; keyswitch="C#2";
group="Bard"; articulation="FilLo"; keyswitch="D2";
group="Bard"; articulation="ConFeSus"; keyswitch="D#2";
group="Bard"; articulation="CulPaDos"; keyswitch="E2";
group="Bard"; articulation="DonSelLa"; keyswitch="F2";
group="Bard"; articulation="FolLiAs"; keyswitch="F#2";
group="Bard"; articulation="GuarRi"; keyswitch="G2";
group="Bard"; articulation="MeUs"; keyswitch="G#2";
group="Bard"; articulation="MuiTos"; keyswitch="A2";
group="Bard"; articulation="NoiTe"; keyswitch="A#2";
group="Bard"; articulation="NulLam"; keyswitch="B2";
group="Bard"; articulation="PuDas"; keyswitch="C3";
group="Bard"; articulation="SauDe"; keyswitch="C#3";
group="Bard"; articulation="VirGen"; keyswitch="D3";

[Boone777]

A little something that bugs me a bit; When restarting RC the structure window always shrinks back even though I adjusted it everytime I play with RC.

[BluGenes]

How can get working era 2 Vocal Vodex best with the articualtion in newest rc ?

Era 2 Vocal Codex there is a demo version with a few notes but all articulations. that show how articulations cause problems in RC

when a note have a articulation, how can see the name of this articulation ?

You might have the wrong octave set in the articulation.. For instance, if the VST says it is using C0, in RC it is actually C1. Or if the VST says to use C2, you need to use C3 in RC..

Be sure you use an editor that does not save or add special formatting characters and it must be saved as pure text. For Windows, use NotePad. There must be a blank line after the control header and a blank line in between groups. Not 2 lines..

[magicmusic]

I have blank line as can see in the text. I use the edit (is new notepad) from win 10 and the strange thing first if i have only 1 group and the articulation keys are in c1 and c2, then it work.but later i change articulation keys from c1 to c2 because in tests can see RC use c2 instead of C1 so keys articulation keys need are range from c2 to c3.

[musicdevelopments]

A little something that bugs me a bit; When restarting RC the structure window always shrinks back even though I adjusted it everytime I play with RC.

I am sorry for this annoyance. Today I added a fix so that inspector sizes and positions are stored and restored.
Thanks,
Attila

[musicdevelopments]

Hello lulukom,

thanks for your suggestions. I do not force dragging scales because it is more convenient to select a scale (together with a root note) from a customized popup. Please note that in the next version the scale selection UI will be reworked and the boring pop-up menus will be removed.

2. It would be nice to be able to drag variations from the browser and from the track inspector directly to the head of the track.

This works today. You can drag variations from the browser to tracks and phrases.

3. And still drag variations between browsers and track inspectors and phrase inspectors.

OK, I added this to the to-do list. Unfortunately there are many more important features that must be added, I really have my hands full at the moment.

Thanks,
Attila

[lulukom]

[musicdevelopments]

How can get working era 2 Vocal Vodex best with the articualtion in newest rc ?

Interesting, I am downloading the demo.

When using an articulation, the name is not displayed in the editor (yet).
It would be good to see the articulation above the note.

I could allow the rhythm editor to create overlapping notes, but for most users this would be very confusing. And it would not work well when two successive notes are the same (chords).
You can manually edit phrases with overlapping notes, but I think you want to generate them.

Is there possible to use notes that output a controller value ?

Not at the moment. I'll shortly add MIDI controllers to phrases and notes, there will be no more such limitations. I ask for a little patience.

I create a rcctrl file, i see no error but there can choose Era 2 Vocal codex, but not the group Celtia or Bard.

It works for me when I copied the text to a .rcCTRL file. I can see the 2 groups and all articulations. As it was suggested create the file in Notepad or I use WordPad without any formatting. I can send you the file if you wish.
One important aspect of creating an .rcCTRL file that all note names are interpreted as the base octave being -1, that is note 0 is C-1, note 60 is C4. The base octave setting in your preferences is not used here, otherwise it would affect all loaded articulations which would be a disaster.
It is possible to write note numbers instead of note names in .rcCTRL files.

Thanks,
Attila

[magicmusic]

I could allow the rhythm editor to create overlapping notes, but for most users this would be very confusing. And it would not work well when two

Hi Attila

if the rythm editor can do overlapping notes in general it can be only enable when another hotkey is press. for example CTRL+shift.

I think it is ok too if you not add a hotkey, but in the phrase variation adjust note length V2 it is possible to have overlappiung notes. The adjust note length when switch to % this show no value. when notes can overlap imn phrase variation, then can set to 101% and choose for all notes in the rythm a little smaller note length. and all legato notes use default note length.

currently it happen that when set note % larger as middle that the phrase itself increase a little(because endnote get longer, but notes before are not increase

when notes of same note overlap it work ok with the magix independence sampler (which is best service engine that play era 2). no note hang happen. if you notice problems then it is maybe the VSTi and not RC that do this wrong. for the magix independence sampler there are also free samples here that can use after register. you need register in independence sampler, but you can load them after register in best service engine. only the sounds of best service engine can not work in indpendence sampler. you can see this simular as kontakt, but independence have only zplane elastique solo time stretch which sound very worse. so better switch not on. kontakt have better time stretch

http://www.magix.com/gb/free-download/i ... -software/

[magicmusic]

I have upload my rcctrl. it happen often that after some edit a file not work. maybe you can see problem, maybe there is a bug or something

[musicdevelopments]

There was a silly bug which stopped parsing the file when it found a line with just a space. It is fixed now but I uploaded a working file below.
Sorry,
Attila