What is the best sounding DAW??

[Robmobius]

Considering the fact that you process the shit out of a tune (and probably use a load of 3rd party stuff) this is one of the dumbest questions I see on forums.

Insert facepalm here, etc.

[zenophilix]

For what it's worth, I'm fairly sure there are subtle differences in the summing engines between DAWs. For example, the summing engine in Live 7 sounds a bit muddier than Live 9 to my ears, especially with acoustic instruments.

[BertKoor]

For what it's worth, I'm fairly sure there are subtle differences in the summing engines between DAWs. For example, the summing engine in Live 7 sounds a bit muddier than Live 9 to my ears, especially with acoustic instruments.

That's worth absolutely nothing, unless you have proven there's a difference with the nulling-test (export WAV from both, swap phase of one, then add both: result will null out)

[Robmobius]

That's worth absolutely nothing, unless you have proven there's a difference with the nulling-test (export WAV from both, swap phase of one, then add both: result will null out)

+1 Absolutely.

I wasn't even going to bother responding to his 'odd notion'.

[solomute]

In conclusion, the DAWs might produce slightly different output, but not audibly.

the result is quite audible not only due to different resamplers but also to workflow, normalization algos, different dithering algos. Samplitude offers 5 dithering algos...
Mixbus is crap- perhaps good for mike jackson's rap but not for serious work. if needed i can use nebula, aqua for coloration. Genwave eq resamples to 392khz internally. i hear difference to epure and waves 3.2 2002 req where the last two are crappier. due to some unknown factors genwave eq often stops working on master muting midi input or sound completely on win7. perhaps winxp64bit is the way to go with samplitude pro x1 or use aqua trinity instead of genwave which is not so bad replacemet.

[SparkySpark]

In conclusion, the DAWs might produce slightly different output, but not audibly.

the result is quite audible not only due to different resamplers but also to workflow, normalization algos, different dithering algos. Samplitude offers 5 dithering algos...
Mixbus is crap- perhaps good for mike jackson's rap but not for serious work. if needed i can use nebula, aqua for coloration. Genwave eq resamples to 392khz internally. i hear difference to epure and waves 3.2 2002 req where the last two are crappier. due to some unknown factors genwave eq often stops working on master muting midi input or sound completely on win7. perhaps winxp64bit is the way to go with samplitude pro x1 or use aqua trinity instead of genwave which is not so bad replacemet.

Solomute, since you are so into this, why don't you perform a nulling test as suggested above and upload the result? That could maybe put an end to the debate.

[solomute]

Because all those tests will show the difference in the resulting files due to different resamplers, dither algos and etc. For example mixbus will add saturation everywhere. There will be difference even if you just put two wav files on two tracks and do simple rendering without any added effects.

I wish genwave eq had no problems with latency delay compensation. I would put it on all tracks. It raises highs without any distortion unlike waves, epure and other algorithmic eqs. Trinity seems to produce much less distortion and goes second after genwave maybe because it's IR based. Those free eqs like booteq and others from that team seem to add some dark and haze and are worse than trinity in my opinion. If i had a good pc i would resample everything to 384 khz and use 384-able plugins after having created a 384 khz project. It would probably prevent any mud and distortion. Maybe that is why pyramix daw uses 384 khz processing.
Do a simple test: raise the range 4k-22khz to maximum on one or two knobs on genwave. Then raise the same range on epure by +18 db. With epure you will immediately hear hissing (white noise) of samples + distortions. On genwave everything remains clean ...

[whyterabbyt]

I wish genwave eq had no problems with latency delay compensation.

well, that's what happens when you use the pirated version of a $2000 plugin that went out of production nearly 10 years ago...

[SparkySpark]

Because all those tests will show the difference in the resulting files due to different resamplers, dither algos and etc. For example mixbus will add saturation everywhere. There will be difference even if you just put two wav files on two tracks and do simple rendering without any added effects.

But... isn't that the whole point of your stand in this thread? The reason why almost everyone feels this is the dumbest thread ever is that they don't believe this to be true. I, on the other hand, am sure there _is_ a difference (because of different algos, and also in what order they are called in the audio engine), I'm just not convinced that the difference is audible.

In case you happen to have them, can't you just upload those tests and let everyone judge for themselves if a) there _IS_ a difference, and b) if it's _AUDIBLE_? I for one think it would be interesting to listen to the results.

[EnGee]

Cubase 1 + 1 = 2 is the best to my ears, so musical and clear math. Ryzen is wisely summing the equation and give it back to Cubase. What can I say? I'm glad that they get well with each others.

There is always something magical about DAWs summing. Praise the lord

[Pyrotek45]

i love it when on DAW does addition better than another, really gives it THAT sound!

[egbert101]

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[Niowiad]

[solomute]

I again have compared dp to samplitude and still prefer samplitude may be because I have already set it up for studio-like sound. As for genwave it's good but it's 32-bit that's why it causes delays which is not connected to which version you use. But I have new info for musicians. You can do without genwave. Actually native samplitude's or dp's eqs are quite well. But you need to emulate studio sound via some best console plugins which do saturation to tracks and buses and do hardware-like crosstalk. In addition to that you need to arrange betweentrack crosstalk\bleed like with multimic recording. That solves 99% problems and look no further because you get that studio 3dsound with all those sweet distortions. Your music becomes alive and glued together. You won't get that 3d sound via reverbs or delays alone. As far as I have understood with hardware you constantly get all those interleaks between tracks and that is exactly what glues together.

[SparkySpark]

In addition to that you need to arrange betweentrack crosstalk\bleed like with multimic recording. That solves 99% problems and look no further because you get that studio 3dsound with all those sweet distortions. Your music becomes alive and glued together. You won't get that 3d sound via reverbs or delays alone. As far as I have understood with hardware you constantly get all those interleaks between tracks and that is exactly what glues together.

Actually I agree with this. When listening to the radio, I become more and more annoyed with how badly the parts are glued together, it's like if the vocalist sings to a playback song (like in karaoke). I think this has to do with how clean today's music is - too clean.