Maschine goes 64-bit only

[chk071]

Something interesting on the topic of 32-bit software development (also stating reasons why it isn't done by the developers), from the Serif Affinity forums: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. ... t-version/

[e@rs]

NI will soon drop the support for Maschine 1 hardware, too.

Ouch, that sux big time! I hope you're joking...

[foosnark]

I think I'm about done replying here. It's fruitless, people keep bringing unrelated stuff into it (it's not about OS version, it's about legacy plugin compatibility) and ignoring things that I've said multiple times (e.g. jBridge did not work for me; ET-301 is the specific plugin I am most concerned about, etc.).

And even if I convinced everyone here of what I'm saying -- which is simply that this move makes trouble for some of NI's customers! -- it doesn't matter because you're not NI.

And I'm not going to convince NI. I'm not sure, from their perspective, that they're "wrong." It probably makes some business sense for them. But then, it makes business sense for auto manufacturers to skimp a little on safety features that would prevent a few people a year from dying in accidents, in order to save a certain amount of money per vehicle. A melodramatic example, but there it is.

This is the company that killed off Kore. That no doubt pissed off a lot more people than this does.

The funny (?) thing about this is last night when I got home from work, my computer was dead. As it happens, it was the PSU and I was able to replace it and continue. But I had the thought about buying a new machine and installing only 64-bit versions

I do see abandoning 32-bit versions as basically inevitable. But that doesn't stop it from being a hassle and a disappointment.

There. Done.

[swatwork]

Had NI called 2.7, 3.0 with the introduction of loop/audio module would that have made it ok to you?
You are drawing a line where I dont' think there is one.
rsp

My point is that Maschine 2.7 was released as a 32-bit version which NI then found to be buggy. Rather than fix it, they've just abandoned it under the guise of ditching 32-bit support.

[zvenx]

Are you sure that 2.7 proved more buggy for 32-bit version than for the 64-bit version?


Evidence of what you say:

However, with the release of MASCHINE 2.7.2 in December, some users have reported problems running the 32-bit version of the software. This has basically forced us to make a decision on this topic now: Instead of investing time and effort into diagnosing, fixing, and distributing a fix for the 32-bit version of MASCHINE shortly before discontinuing it, we have decided to just discontinue 32-bit support immediately.

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... 4-Bit-Only

rsp

[bungle]

Had NI called 2.7, 3.0 with the introduction of loop/audio module would that have made it ok to you?
You are drawing a line where I dont' think there is one.
rsp

My point is that Maschine 2.7 was released as a 32-bit version which NI then found to be buggy. Rather than fix it, they've just abandoned it under the guise of ditching 32-bit support.

NI are complete toss bags nowadays, they have gone further and further down the rabbit hole of quick fix expansions, now if they cant quick fix software they will just discontinue it, you can expect more of the same with non Reaktor products like Massive etc when a new OS update breaks it.
Either that or it will play in to their subscription plans "We cant afford to keep updating the software we sold you quite recently, unless you now pay a yearly fee"

I am not far personally from selling Komplete Ultimate off myself.

[BBFG#]

Although it was definitely inevitable. And for those of us wanting to not have to load useless 32 bit files, even desirable. But how they did this does show their ever increasing disregard and indifference to their customer base.

[chk071]

Although it was definitely inevitable. And for those of us wanting to not have to load useless 32 bit files, even desirable. But how they did this does show their ever increasing disregard and indifference to their customer base.

Rather that they care the most for the vast majority of their customers. But, hey, you can always twist things around, if you want to make YOUR point. I could also cry that most streets are made for cars, not for bycycles, but, the vast majority of people drive with cars on those streets.

Anyway, it has all been said a gazillion of times, so, we're really moving in circles here. The issue is that a few people just can't accept that 32-bit is as good as dead.

[parma]

Yep, Maschine Mk1 is no longer supported on the lastest Mac OS (High Sierra). Mk1 isn't class compliant and NI can't be bothered to update their drivers. I would've hoped they would continue to support MK1 until the release of Version 3 of the software, but this is NI, so

[zvenx]

Interesting.
I have Sierra.
rsp

[swatwork]

Are you sure that 2.7 proved more buggy for 32-bit version than for the 64-bit version?


Evidence of what you say:

However, with the release of MASCHINE 2.7.2 in December, some users have reported problems running the 32-bit version of the software. This has basically forced us to make a decision on this topic now: Instead of investing time and effort into diagnosing, fixing, and distributing a fix for the 32-bit version of MASCHINE shortly before discontinuing it, we have decided to just discontinue 32-bit support immediately.

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... 4-Bit-Only

rsp

If both 32-bit and 64-bit versions were affected equally then I doubt there would be much more effort involved in fixing both rather than just the 64-bit version so this, and the wording you quoted, suggests that the issue affects 32-bit users the most.

Either way, the last version of 32-bit Maschine they'll now support is 2.6, so whatever goodies were introduced in 2.7 are now 'use at your own risk' if you need to stick with 32-bit.

If you depend on using the 32-bit version of MASCHINE for your work, do not attempt to download or install any MASCHINE updates later than version 2.7.2. Doing so will uninstall your 32-bit version.

Future versions of MASCHINE will include only a 64-bit version of the application. Previous versions of MASCHINE installed both 32-bit and 64-bit versions simultaneously. Since most users don’t need the 32-bit version, running the update installer will also uninstall any previous 32-bit version that may have been installed on the system to keep it clean. Therefore, if you rely on the 32-bit version of MASCHINE, do not to download or install any future MASCHINE updates.

We will continue to provide support for the 32-bit version of MASCHINE until version 2.6.10, which is the last version which offers a stable 32-bit version. You can download the 2.6.10 update here.

[zvenx]

I know for sure there are, like in every software issues/bugs in 2.7... there are bugs on the 64 bit platform too, but yes, I believe u are right. The way it is worded and the ensuing action suggests that there are some issues unique to 32bit..
Rsp

[BBFG#]

Although it was definitely inevitable. And for those of us wanting to not have to load useless 32 bit files, even desirable. But how they did this does show their ever increasing disregard and indifference to their customer base.

Rather that they care the most for the vast majority of their customers. But, hey, you can always twist things around, if you want to make YOUR point. I could also cry that most streets are made for cars, not for bycycles, but, the vast majority of people drive with cars on those streets.

Anyway, it has all been said a gazillion of times, so, we're really moving in circles here. The issue is that a few people just can't accept that 32-bit is as good as dead.

I think we're more in agreement here.
My only point though is their change in attitude about how they do it now.

On another forum, a member cogently pointed out this change occurred when they took 'outside' money.
Maybe.

[beatmangler443]

Sorry it's about time. It's 2018.

[foosnark]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware what year it is. But thanks for repeating that.