Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

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digitalboytn
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1280 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:10 am

What do NI and their friendly loan partners think about the new loops, samples and patch libraries ?

Kaching $$$$$ :wink:
Sorry - I don't use auto-tune....

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aMUSEd
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29984 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:54 am

So do any of them have a decent quality of synth presets? (ie more than say 50)

Most interested in new Prism presets and most not interested in pop/edm bassy and drum stuff

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martinjuenke
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2490 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Germany

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Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:51 am

So someone has to go on and test them...
Just received a 25% off code from NI and think about trying Prismatic Bliss. There is some cash on my Paypal from a recent selling here on KVR. Curiosity is driving me...

Flowing atmospheric music
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aMUSEd
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Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:56 am

martinjuenke wrote:So someone has to go on and test them...
Just received a 25% off code from NI and think about trying Prismatic Bliss. There is some cash on my Paypal from a recent selling here on KVR. Curiosity is driving me...
Just had a look at this - you'd think give the title and 'theme' it would have more than 16 Prism presets? Looks like none of them have many. I'd rather they gathered them all together than spread them out this way. It's really very much a money grabber.

mholloway
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983 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:10 am

All they've done is modified existing Maschine expansions so they now include Battery presets as well. The synth presets were already included in the original Maschine expansions, and usually there are only 12-20 or so per pack.

This was an easy money grab for NI: convert some Maschine kits into Battery samples so you can sell these (maschine) Expansions to folks who don't own Maschine.

I guess it makes sense, but it's far from exciting.

and FWIW, in my personal opinion, the various synth presets included in the Maschine expansions have never been very exciting or useful, but YMMV.

-M
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martinjuenke
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2490 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Germany

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:52 am

martinjuenke wrote:So someone has to go on and test them...
Just received a 25% off code from NI and think about trying Prismatic Bliss. There is some cash on my Paypal from a recent selling here on KVR. Curiosity is driving me...
Okay, bought it.
I‘m underwhelmed:
# No specific documentation beside the 4 years old machine doc.
# Installation process is more or less manual, so you have to rebuild the database for Massive and you have to install the Prism aka Reaktor presets manually with all the downside of the prehistoric, nerdy Reaktor preset management
# The loops are simple WAVs (and REX2), no integration as Apple Loops prepared
# No midi files in addition to the loops
# ...
All in all you get the impression NI rushed out a patchwork of unintegrated and user unfriendly items for what reason ever.
So from my point of view not the best bargain I had.
But tastes differ...

Flowing atmospheric music
http://www.sonoryth.bandcamp.com/music

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zvenx
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6744 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:01 am

Hi you shouldn't have to manual rebuild massive database, when you start it in standalone mode it suppose to rebuild by itself.
I find to use prism and monark you are indeed better off using Komplete Kontrol or Maschine software to access them..
rsp
martinjuenke wrote:
martinjuenke wrote:So someone has to go on and test them...
Just received a 25% off code from NI and think about trying Prismatic Bliss. There is some cash on my Paypal from a recent selling here on KVR. Curiosity is driving me...
Okay, bought it.
I‘m underwhelmed:
# No specific documentation beside the 4 years old machine doc.
# Installation process is more or less manual, so you have to rebuild the database for Massive and you have to install the Prism aka Reaktor presets manually with all the downside of the prehistoric, nerdy Reaktor preset management
# The loops are simple WAVs (and REX2), no integration as Apple Loops prepared
# No midi files in addition to the loops
# ...
All in all you get the impression NI rushed out a patchwork of unintegrated and user unfriendly items for what reason ever.
So from my point of view not the best bargain I had.
But tastes differ...
Last edited by zvenx on Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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martinjuenke
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2490 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Germany

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:32 pm

Good remark, ZVENX!
Access is indeed a bit more easy via Komplete Kontrol.
But my overall conclusion remains the same:
A hodgepodge of mixed things without an integrated framework. Good for those who like it...

Flowing atmospheric music
http://www.sonoryth.bandcamp.com/music

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zvenx
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6744 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

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Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:40 pm

Oh I definitely agree with you and been begging NI to address presets on reaktor yearssss now.

on a different note...

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=500384

selling Resonant Blaze and Halcyon Sky.

thanks

rsp
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Nocturnal909
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138 posts since 18 Nov, 2007 from PA USA

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:02 pm

Why did they say for the first time NI released new kits for Battery? What about Synthetic Drums 1 and 2, they were battery drum kits.

For a discount or sale I might buy it.

macmuse
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370 posts since 23 Jun, 2004

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:56 pm

martinjuenke wrote: Okay, bought it.
I‘m underwhelmed:
What pack did you get?

jsp1979
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2958 posts since 7 Aug, 2008

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:18 pm

macmuse wrote:
martinjuenke wrote: Okay, bought it.
I‘m underwhelmed:
What pack did you get?
In the very post you quoted, it says Prismatic Bliss.

macmuse
KVRist
370 posts since 23 Jun, 2004

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:38 pm

Sorry I didn’t see that.

noddog
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Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:12 pm

martinjuenke wrote: Okay, bought it.
I’m Underwhelmed.....
Martin, I understand that the organization of the pack is not so great, but how are the sounds and presets for Prismatic Bliss? This pack is “made in collaboration with Mode Audio”, and I really like some of the other sample sets that Mode Audio makes. It’s nice to have everything organized in a live pack, etc., but to me the sounds and presets are really what matters! Any comments on the sounds and presets?

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aMUSEd
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29984 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Re: Native Instrumens Expansions... opinions?

Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:38 pm

noddog wrote:
martinjuenke wrote: Okay, bought it.
I’m Underwhelmed.....
Martin, I understand that the organization of the pack is not so great, but how are the sounds and presets for Prismatic Bliss? This pack is “made in collaboration with Mode Audio”, and I really like some of the other sample sets that Mode Audio makes. It’s nice to have everything organized in a live pack, etc., but to me the sounds and presets are really what matters! Any comments on the sounds and presets?
Well it looks like the number of synth presets is pretty pathetic - they are mostly padded with samples. For example Prismatic Bliss has 16 Prism presets (despite the name).

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