KVR Audio

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:50 pm

He made an impression in another thread at the same time. Bush league troll. Don't waste your concern.

robains · Post by **robains** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:56 pm

When you have a PC built for doing your audio duty, you might want to look into this type of case http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20040 ... an-01.html

$1400 just for the case, but zero noise from it.

Bigg John · Post by **Bigg John** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:42 pm

Zoing wrote:Most of this thread has been instructive. Some peopele, maybe even a mac user like me may want to use somethin... more powerful and cheaper, even though I like macs. So its always interesting to hear balanced opinions. But that xraydelta guy LOVES TO SHOUT DOESN'T HE?

I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS THEREFORE WHAT I SAY IS TRUE!!!

I'd like to see proof of the bankruptcy thing, as apple have billions in the bank. I'm not saying its not true, but just 'cause he said it doesn't mean it is either. Same about Microsoft inventing the internet, wasn't it a bunch of unix people from universities finding ways to communicate?. Microsoft have just tried to make it proprietry, like they tried to do with Java etc. Again, correct me if I'm wrong (someone who actually knows please, rather than someone who can just type in capitals).

TCP-IP invented by the US military (the old DARPA net). "taken over" by a bunch of university eggheads. just trying to clear that up

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:56 pm

mac vs pc?

mac tastes like shit. but prison chop is worse.

Bigg John · Post by **Bigg John** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:16 pm

my 2 cents. Apple is really doing all they can to appeal to musicians. that's why they are buying up apps like logic and fcp. building core audio and midi into the kernal. they have targeted folks like us at kvr as their niche market and as far as i can tell, doing all they can to make themselves appeal to us.

the thing i hate about apple is that it seems like they are coming out with updates for osx every 6 mo to the tune of $150 a pop.

the thing i hate about microsoft is that they are such big targets. so many virii, worms, trojans, spyware. at one time, some clever programmers had figured out how to make hostile midi files that took advantage of holes in directx. Yikezzz!!! killer midi filez are a musicians worst nightmare. (MS fixed that one pretty quickly, to their credit)

macs just don't have that problem. the answer is to keep your audio box off the internet, but than you have to sink your money into a second windows box for internet use.

the whole debate boils down to 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. they both crunch 1s and 0s, that's it. I love my mac AND this old pIII 600 machine. i use both every day. (aren't I special

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maxxxter · Post by **maxxxter** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:29 am

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Bigg John · Post by **Bigg John** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:48 am

maxxxter wrote:There, I've done it! I've read the whole thread in one go! It's half past two AM now, came back from work few hours ago, exhausted, ....and I still read the whole thread! It was an interesting and insightful experience, almost like watching a wierd version of Dawson's Creek in a paralel universe.
I'm very tired now. I'm going to sleep.

( PS. WARNING: a totaly irellevant statement follows:
And when I fall asleep now in my comfy bed, I'll dream about finally winning that lottery jackpot and treating myself with a fully audio-customised workstation based on something like this:
http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl38/features/

with these monitors:

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/e ... igma62.htm

and these cables:

http://www.taralabs.com/catalog/catalog_categories.asp

and a nice RME sound card. Did MOTU improve the PC versions of drivers for their souncards? (a question to the rare few who don't think this post was completely unnecessary...)

PPS: Can anyone suggest the amp?

wow, if u r going to dream....

Kraku · Post by **Kraku** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:08 am

Bigg John wrote:my 2 cents. Apple is really doing all they can to appeal to musicians. that's why they are buying up apps like logic and fcp.

I have an interesting theory on this issue of Apple buying different apps, but first I'll give some background info of my thinking:

I was talking with my friend the other day, who is a Mac enthusiast and keeps well informed on the issues concerning Mac. He told me that to ensure IBM's good support, Apple did a PC port of their OSX. This got IBM more concerned and serious about their partnership with Apple and now the Apple gets their processors on time and without problems.

So. The Apple could jump on the Intel based systems almost anytime they wanted to and they also have been buying some of the best software on the market and made them "OSX only". What do you think would happen if Apple decided to ditch their hardware side and become just a software house? Most probably the OSX users would have no problem in switching their hardware to a common Intel system, since they would still be using their OSX and their trusty software which would still be OSX only (ofcourse after porting them back on Intel based processors). Also the people who would like to use Logic etc. could finally afford to do so. OSX would probably become a very big competitor to Windows, since there wouldn't be any expencive hardware issues anymore. And if the people actually started using the OSX more (I would!), quite soon the PC VST/software developers would be porting their stuff on OSX too. Which would make OSX userbase even more bigger in quite a short time, since now all the software you would ever need would be found on both OS's. An exception to this, of course, would be the software Apple has bought (Logic etc.) and they would remain as such. Apple would be wise to buy even more of the software and make them OSX only, making the OSX userbase even bigger.

So if Apple releases the Intel OSX and Intel versions of their software, I might be a convert

[EDIT:] So the theory is: maybe Apple is seriously planning to go on PC platforms?

Bigg John · Post by **Bigg John** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:15 am

Mungo wrote:

So if Apple releases the Intel OSX and Intel versions of their software, I might be a convert

[EDIT:] So the theory is: maybe Apple is seriously planning to go on PC platforms?

It is hard for me to believe that apple would dump their hardware. they lose money on the itunes store in hopes that they will sell ipods.

but shoot, i guess that the fact that they ported itunes over to intel systems was a big suprise too. You may be right Mungo, I guess only time will tell.

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:59 am

I seriously doubt Apple will drop their hardware-software lock-in. Inflated hardware prices is how they can fund development for OSX.

If OSX were to be available for Windows-compatible hardware, it would make very little money. Pirating would become rampant, and Apple would be playing the same game as Microsoft...

Microsoft make very little money from home desktops, because piracy is so rampant. Few people actually buy Windows if they can get a copy from a friend for free. Microsoft makes most of their sales money from corporate licenses, because businesses are required by law to be open and auditable.

If Apple released OSX for Windows-compatible hardware, there would be much less reason to buy Apple hardware (thus reducing sales, and income). Would sales of OSX cover the loss? I doubt it - not even close.

Of course, Apple know a lot more about the issue than I do. I assume that since it hasn't happened yet, it is not in their financial interests to do so.

Forever,

Kim.

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:49 pm

Mungo wrote:I was talking with my friend the other day, who is a Mac enthusiast and keeps well informed on the issues concerning Mac. He told me that to ensure IBM's good support, Apple did a PC port of their OSX. This got IBM more concerned and serious about their partnership with Apple and now the Apple gets their processors on time and without problems.

And how does your friend know this stuff that no one else knows? And has not been sued into oblivion by Apple for disclosing NDA or other secrets?

Repeat after me: Apple is a hardware company.

It makes no sense for them to release a Wintel version of OSX. (Not to be confused with Darwin, which you can freely download and install on X86.) It would also be a support nightmare.

V.

neverwhere2012 · Post by **neverwhere2012** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:16 pm

TennesseeVic wrote:Repeat after me: Apple is a hardware company.

It makes no sense for them to release a Wintel version of OSX. (Not to be confused with Darwin, which you can freely download and install on X86.) It would also be a support nightmare.

V.

hate to hop back into this, but:

If Apple is a hardware company why does Apple own Emagic? Why have they developed OSX to be geared towards audio/midi production? Why are they putting so much time and effort into products such as iTunes, Soundtrack, Garageband, Final Cut Pro, etc. etc. etc.

It's definately food for thought. I recall reading a Stephen St. Croix article around the time Garageband came out, where he refers to the fact that people joked about a little Mac program called Final Cut until it turned into the great Avid killer. What keeps getting overlooked in all of this, regardless of all the hardware/software, vst/no vst comparisons, is the fact that every person who buys a new mac, or who buys the iLife '04 bundle, gets -- more or less for free -- a program to make music that is as good as or better than most every entry level platform on the market. Don't overlook Garageband. It may not use VST, it may not do as much as Cubase SX or Sonar or whatever, but there's a lot of people who are going to buy a Mac and start making music as good as everyone else through that program, and when they look to spread their wings, where are they going to go? Soundtrack and Logic Pro. I think that's the real point to all this. Not who's better, but who can get the newcomers hooked easier (Just take a look at the tobacco industry. Did you start smoking when you were 30? Probably not). And until Microsoft starts bundling Acid Pro or Ableton Live with Windows XP, Apple has the one up on them... As well as most music software developers.

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:27 pm

neverwhere2012 wrote:If Apple is a hardware company why does Apple own Emagic? Why have they developed OSX to be geared towards audio/midi production? Why are they putting so much time and effort into products such as iTunes, Soundtrack, Garageband, Final Cut Pro, etc. etc. etc.

So they can sell more hardware. All this great software gives people more reasons to buy Apple hardware.

Forever,

Kim.

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:29 pm

neverwhere2012 wrote:If Apple is a hardware company why does Apple own Emagic? Why have they developed OSX to be geared towards audio/midi production? Why are they putting so much time and effort into products such as iTunes, Soundtrack, Garageband, Final Cut Pro, etc. etc. etc.

You're answering your own question: software sells hardware.

V.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:50 pm

If true, I would sure welcome a true competitor for MSWindows on the PC platform. It is a monopoly and needs a shake up. As much as I hate using a MAC I love the idea of a head to head between Apple and MS on the OS front.

Mac vs. PC