Women producers!! Where are you!

[J-909]

Just want to say thanks to the mods who cleaned this thread up. Definitely a big +1 from me

Really appreciate that they are keeping this place clean.

Here's a really neat video of Imogen Heaps The Making of me.

Just saw it. Well done

[J-909]

All right everyone. I've been offline a few days and just saw the thread has been cleaned up (it needed be) and back to the main forum.

I got no time to read all comments since then but for what I've read so far I can only say a few things:

For those of you who claim that girls just aren't interested in producing music (when they could) I say what I already did: That lack of interest maybe is not such, it's been education and culture that has never presented some of the jobs as interesting or accessible to girls (they've been shown or explained only to men between other reasons). That's one of the main things society has to change with education (it starts with the blue vs pink shit).

And those that said in some posts that girls already work in the industry as singers/dancers so "there is no issue at all", this is just disgussting. This is not an opinion, this enters acceptation of discrimination.

Congrats for V0rt3x and mods to take care of the thread

edit: BTW Thanx to all posting about female producers and artists, I'll take a look at them as I get time. In some styles I like there's already quite a female force of producers

[camsr]

The mansplaining is strong in this thread, no shortage of that here.

[recursive one]

Miranda is an important name in goa trance history

https://www.discogs.com/artist/19682-Miranda

Off the top of my head, I can name few other female psytrance and psychill acts, some of them being relatively well known. But I don't see the point of listing them here, I think these ladies must be more happy when their music is appreciated for its musical qualities rather than for being made by women.

The thing with electronic music - at least the genres I'm most interested in - is that it is very depersonalized, unlike pop or rock, the artist image doesn't matter at all. When I'm discovering new music, usually by browsing Mixcloud or other podcasts, I typically have no idea about what gender the producers are, what do they look like, etc., and more often than not I don't bother to google it so I have no idea about the actual gender proportion. Does this mean the lack of "visibility"? And if yes, why should it be important?

Also, I think making music today, especially electronic music, is often not a career or job, it's more a hobby thing. Few people are doing this for living, most others do this in order to express themselves somehow. So if some particular woman happens to be not interested in learning synths, DAWs, etc, that's more likely because she doesn't feel the need to express herself in this specific way and not because some male chauvinists have taught her that making music is a "real men's job".

[whyterabbyt]

Few people are doing this for living, most others do this in order to express themselves somehow. So if some particular woman happens to be not interested in learning synths, DAWs, etc, that's more likely because she doesn't feel the need to express herself in this specific way and not because some male chauvinists have taught her that making music is a "real men's job".

Well, no that conclusion isnt logical. And its also a false dichotomy, because you exclude the scenario of 'some male chauvinists have taught her that expressing herself in particular ways, like using DAWs and synths, isnt appropriate for women.' Given the propensity for males to think they 'own' high technology in the first place, (something you can see equally well manifested in gaming) its laughable to handwave away that environment like this.

A simple browse through the autobiographies of and interviews with female punk and rock musicians will certainly illuminate the fact that women have been and continue to be under attack for being seen to be encroaching on 'male' roles in music, whether you artificially separate 'jobs' from 'ways of expression' or not.

Either way, the constant repetition of 'women cant do or dont want to do this stuff' in this thread completely illustrates the 'teaching' that you are denying exists.

[recursive one]

Few people are doing this for living, most others do this in order to express themselves somehow. So if some particular woman happens to be not interested in learning synths, DAWs, etc, that's more likely because she doesn't feel the need to express herself in this specific way and not because some male chauvinists have taught her that making music is a "real men's job".

Well, no that conclusion isnt logical. And its also a false dichotomy, because you exclude the scenario of 'some male chauvinists have taught her that expressing herself in particular ways, like using DAWs and synths, isnt appropriate for women.' Given the propensity for males to think they 'own' high technology in the first place, (something you can see equally well manifested in gaming) its laughable to handwave away that environment like this.

A simple browse through the autobiographies of and interviews with female punk and rock musicians will certainly illuminate the fact that women have been and continue to be under attack for being seen to be encroaching on 'male' roles in music, whether you artificially separate 'jobs' from 'ways of expression' or not.

Either way, the constant repetition of 'women cant do or dont want to do this stuff' in this thread completely illustrates the 'teaching' that you are denying exists.

I'm afraid that we don't have enough facts here to make real logical conclusions. It indeed may seem that the music production scene as a whole has large gender disproportion, but I wouldn't mind seeing some actual figures. The bios you are referring to may have some bias based on personal experience and furthermore the punk and rock scenes may be quite different from electronic music, at least because playing in a band, gigging etc involves much more face-to-face interactions than sitting in a home studio and sending the finished tracks to a label manager by e-mail.

I do make the distinction between making music as a job and making music as a hobby because job-related gender stereotypes are a well known thing, not sure its' the same with hobbies - well, hobby-related stereotypes do exist as well but I think in a much less serious form, not enough to infulence anyone's actual personal decisions.

[Jace-BeOS]

The mansplaining is strong in this thread, no shortage of that here.

Certain men need to have things explained to them...

[Jace-BeOS]

Going back to the OP, what exactly are we hoping to get out of this conversation anyway?

I suspect that the OP might've been hoping to meet some musical women. It's not that I don't understand this; I'd love to myself. It's just that this isn't a dating site. If women come here to engage about music, they should not be pursued like they're on display in a meat market.

We’ve been down the path of discussing why there aren’t more women in music production, which became a surprisingly contentious argument.

It's only contentious because certain men want to justify the status quo with pseudoscience.

As for my own part, I’m trying to foster a love for all of this stuff in my own daughter. She has my Kurzweil K2000 in her room, along with several guitars. I got her a Korg Littlebits kit. We’ve had a brief foray into Eurorack, and I’m looking forward to teaching her more about that soon. I’ve also encouraged her to learn Python, and given her the tools to pursue her interests in art and animation (my day job).

Much respect for this! Keep up the good work! I'm assuming she also has the freedom to turn to completely different interests if she chooses

[J-909]

I suspect that the OP might've been hoping to meet some musical women. It's not that I don't understand this; I'd love to myself. It's just that this isn't a dating site. If women come here to engage about music, they should not be pursued like they're on display in a meat market.

WTF? No, definitely not. I never stated at any point trying to meet girls

Why the hell everyone suggests what the OP wants? The OP doesn' want anything at all!!

This was a thread to talk about the situation of women in the industry after March 8th (working woman's day) and why there wasn't parity like in many other's.

[BMoore]

And as far as I can see, no one but the posters calling someone sexist, is mentioning ability as to what women are not capable of doing.

Huh? What about that article that Fluffy linked to:

"The gray-white matter difference may explain why, in adulthood, females are great multi-taskers, while men excel in highly task-focused projects."

Sounds to me that he’s asserting exactly that: that men have superior ability in highly task-focused projects.

Edit:
Or to put it in less kindly terms, which that author is actually insinuating with his pseudo-science, “women are too scatterbrained to concentrate on a single task”. But it all sounds very official and factual and sciency the way he worded it.

Huh indeed.
That quote from the article doesn't say anything remotely similar to what you've fabricated in your "edit".

[BMoore]

Going back to the OP, what exactly are we hoping to get out of this conversation anyway?

I suspect that the OP might've been hoping to meet some musical women. It's not that I don't understand this; I'd love to myself. It's just that this isn't a dating site. If women come here to engage about music, they should not be pursued like they're on display in a meat market.

We’ve been down the path of discussing why there aren’t more women in music production, which became a surprisingly contentious argument.

It's only contentious because certain men want to justify the status quo with pseudoscience.

As for my own part, I’m trying to foster a love for all of this stuff in my own daughter. She has my Kurzweil K2000 in her room, along with several guitars. I got her a Korg Littlebits kit. We’ve had a brief foray into Eurorack, and I’m looking forward to teaching her more about that soon. I’ve also encouraged her to learn Python, and given her the tools to pursue her interests in art and animation (my day job).

Much respect for this! Keep up the good work! I'm assuming she also has the freedom to turn to completely different interests if she chooses

You're questionsing OP's motive with your own sexist allegation.
Talk about pseudoscience.