The VSTi That I Would Pay $1,000 For

[wagtunes]

What a fuckin racket ...

To you. I've had some wonderful comments on that piece. So YOUR opinion means NOTHING to me.

I don't believe you.

You can believe whatever you want. If you REALLY think you're significant to me in any way then you're even more delusional than I am thinking that anybody in this forum gives a crap about anything I do.

There's only one delusional idiot in this thread, and we all know who that is. You've had a ton of help and advice from this forum, and you're response is "you're a bunch of hypocrites" ...

Um, yeah. When people tell me that vocal technology is wrong because it will put singers out of work and at the same time they're using sample libraries for instruments that take years to master, yeah, they're hypocrites.

[Elektronisch]

What a fuckin racket ...

To you. I've had some wonderful comments on that piece. So YOUR opinion means NOTHING to me.

I don't believe you.

You can believe whatever you want. If you REALLY think you're significant to me in any way then you're even more delusional than I am thinking that anybody in this forum gives a crap about anything I do.

There's only one delusional idiot in this thread, and we all know who that is. You've had a ton of help and advice from this forum, and you're response is "you're a bunch of hypocrites" ...

Um, yeah. When people tell me that vocal technology is wrong because it will put singers out of work and at the same time they're using sample libraries for instruments that take years to master, yeah, they're hypocrites.

Look Wagtunes, you started this discussion, you dont like the opinions that are against yours, you start to defend, attack, show your personality. Its impossible to have a discussion with you, you are a dick.

Moderators should forbid you create topics.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Moderators should forbid you create topics.

Now that's something worth paying $1000 for

[Dullee]

Not interested in copying living or dead pop/rock star voices myself, but sure as hell lots of people would interested in a realistic, highly dynamic vocal engine, that gives you speech and singing voices of all races, covers all music genres brilliantly, including opera, you name it.

Easier said than done, it's a crazy amount of work, totally nuts thing to think of, seemingly unrealistic job to pull off, and I'd say such software would cost 1000+++. Like many plus. Dynamics of human voice would be the toughest part, I reckon. That in conjunction with certain performance technicalities and nuances involved with each music style. It's really insane to think about.

I assume Spectrasonics would be after such thing, if this only was possible. Eric Persing would not let go of such opportunity, he knows very well he'd be crazy rich by now if he's made one.

Perhaps not possible for now, but I don't see why the future of technological singularity and AI replacing human on so many levels wouldn't bring such thing. It's perfectly logical, considering the path we're walking ourselves into, as a humanity. Sometimes this path scares me, to be honest, like really f**king scares me, like we all get redundant one day and hasta la vista baby, and perhaps we will get completely redundant, but there's no way of stopping it, unless certain cartoonish world leaders want to play a nuke game and put us all back to Stone Age. well, we might end up there anyway. we've chosen to replace so many things, automate, emulate, virtualize everything, in the end we will emulate ourselves, not only emulate, but enhance too.

Like Wag here, I think we just can't let it f**king be and accept a human error in ourselves. We're so scared of our f**k-ups, so embarrassed of our failures, we want a better, ideal version of ourselves. And we will get what we want. Not exactly what we want, but by that time it will be too late to figure out what went wrong.

It seems Kubrick and Cameron were really onto something with HAL and Skynet. Well, it was Kubrick's HAL originally, Skynet is an afterthought and it's a sort of exaggeration of HAL.

In regard to copying music celebrities' voices - it's not realistic. Those mega star lawyers and recording companies' lawyers will sue the crap out of you, if you put, say, Elton John in a song he doesn't have anything to do with, doesn't want anything to do with, and doesn't get any revenue from. Whoever comes up with such software, they simply would not let him be, he won't survive. A f**king Eric Persing goes mental with threats and shit on anybody who wants to approach D focking 50. Now imagine all these stars and their management and labels and lawyers. Forget it. Developer won't survive another day, literally.

It's a serious ethical question, it's a question of trademark of artist's originality and legacy, the voice of every singer is a property that sells, so it's many things for lawyers to get a hold of.

It could only work if the developer would pay some really indecent amount of cash to either artists themselves (if they'd be alive and willing to sell their voice and their job, latter highly unlikely) or to inheritors of artists legacy and copyright. And while I don't see active stars selling their voices and their bread and butter, some of the inheritors of them dead stars could easily jump on an easy money bandwagon. But again, developer would need to shell out some really crazy figures for this to happen. That crazy even 1000+++ for a license would not cover the costs and makes the whole idea pointless.

On another note, I know there's nothing holy in this world when a dollar sign is in play, but I wouldn't want any schmoe to have Elvis, Sinatra and Pavarotti under his fingertips. Seriously. I mean, if I'd be a platinum selling, world famous star, a serious pro, working on my game all my life, sacrificing so many things for success day by day, year after year, and all for what? Once to find out some crazy idiot and noob making crappy, mediocre songs with my voice? Nope. I would f**k that bitch up so hard, he'd forget what music is for the rest of his life, if he'd survive at all. And you know, if you put yourself in position of them stars, you wouldn't want it either. And you'll do anything this never happens.

So it's simply not realistic. What's for a realistic vocal engine, not copying any artist, I say it's possible and the future will bring it. Something like this will happen in 10 years from now, I can see it.

[wagtunes]

To you. I've had some wonderful comments on that piece. So YOUR opinion means NOTHING to me.

I don't believe you.

You can believe whatever you want. If you REALLY think you're significant to me in any way then you're even more delusional than I am thinking that anybody in this forum gives a crap about anything I do.

There's only one delusional idiot in this thread, and we all know who that is. You've had a ton of help and advice from this forum, and you're response is "you're a bunch of hypocrites" ...

Um, yeah. When people tell me that vocal technology is wrong because it will put singers out of work and at the same time they're using sample libraries for instruments that take years to master, yeah, they're hypocrites.

Look Wagtunes, you started this discussion, you dont like the opinions that are against yours, you start to defend, attack, show your personality. Its impossible to have a discussion with you, you are a dick.

Moderators should forbid you create topics.

I think I'm being perfectly rational about this. People have flat out said that vocal software that I want should not be made, basically for moral reasons. At the same time, they use sample libraries that allow them to do things that takes people years to master.

I don't see how there is any difference and I am sure any violinist would say the same thing.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Just to add to the current state of voice cloning development

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chin ... -l89rw2tfx

That Wags tune back there would be perfect as the intro for one of those really boring emotional Japanese cartoons where the main character has a whiny voice, has an orgasm when eating rice dumplings and blushes whenever they talk to a male character.

The vocals really hurt my ears, physically. Way too loud.
And tasteless of course

[wagtunes]

Not interested in copying living or dead pop/rock star voices myself, but sure as hell lots of people would interested in a realistic, highly dynamic vocal engine, that gives you speech and singing voices of all races, covers all music genres brilliantly, including opera, you name it.

Easier said than done, it's a crazy amount of work, totally nuts thing to think of, seemingly unrealistic job to pull off, and I'd say such software would cost 1000+++. Like many plus. Dynamics of human voice would be the toughest part, I reckon. That in conjunction with certain performance technicalities and nuances involved with each music style. It's really insane to think about.

I assume Spectrasonics would be after such thing, if this only was possible. Eric Persing would not let go of such opportunity, he knows very well he'd be crazy rich by now if he's made one.

Perhaps not possible for now, but I don't see why the future of technological singularity and AI replacing human on so many levels wouldn't bring such thing. It's perfectly logical, considering the path we're walking ourselves into, as a humanity. Sometimes this path scares me, to be honest, like really f**king scares me, like we all get redundant one day and hasta la vista baby, and perhaps we will get completely redundant, but there's no way of stopping it, unless certain cartoonish world leaders want to play a nuke game and put us all back to Stone Age. well, we might end up there anyway. we've chosen to replace so many things, automate, emulate, virtualize everything, in the end we will emulate ourselves, not only emulate, but enhance too.

Like Wag here, I think we just can't let it f**king be and accept a human error in ourselves. We're so scared of our f**k-ups, so embarrassed of our failures, we want a better, ideal version of ourselves. And we will get what we want. Not exactly what we want, but by that time it will be too late to figure out what went wrong.

It seems Kubrick and Cameron were really onto something with HAL and Skynet. Well, it was Kubrick's HAL originally, Skynet is an afterthought and it's a sort of exaggeration of HAL.

In regard to copying music celebrities' voices - it's not realistic. Those mega star lawyers and recording companies' lawyers will sue the crap out of you, if you put, say, Elton John in a song he doesn't have anything to do with, doesn't want anything to do with, and doesn't get any revenue from. Whoever comes up with such software, they simply would not let him be, he won't survive. A f**king Eric Persing goes mental with threats and shit on anybody who wants to approach D focking 50. Now imagine all these stars and their management and labels and lawyers. Forget it. Developer won't survive another day, literally.

It's a serious ethical question, it's a question of trademark of artist's originality and legacy, the voice of every singer is a property that sells, so it's many things for lawyers to get a hold of.

It could only work if the developer would pay some really indecent amount of cash to either artists themselves (if they'd be alive and willing to sell their voice and their job, latter highly unlikely) or to inheritors of artists legacy and copyright. And while I don't see active stars selling their voices and their bread and butter, some of the inheritors of them dead stars could easily jump on an easy money bandwagon. But again, developer would need to shell out some really crazy figures for this to happen. That crazy even 1000+++ for a license would not cover the costs and makes the whole idea pointless.

On another note, I know there's nothing holy in this world when a dollar sign is in play, but I wouldn't want any schmoe to have Elvis, Sinatra and Pavarotti under his fingertips. Seriously. I mean, if I'd be a platinum selling, world famous star, a serious pro, working on my game all my life, sacrificing so many things for success day by day, year after year, and all for what? Once to find out some crazy idiot and noob making crappy, mediocre songs with my voice? Nope. I would f**k that bitch up so hard, he'd forget what music is for the rest of his life, if he'd survive at all. And you know, if you put yourself in position of them stars, you wouldn't want it either. And you'll do anything this never happens.

So it's simply not realistic. What's for a realistic vocal engine, not copying any artist, I say it's possible and the future will bring it. Something like this will happen in 10 years from now, I can see it.

Thank you. Somebody interested in having a rational, civil discussion. I agree. Copying an actual artist could be a real problem. I don't deny that. But certainly nothing is stopping us from creating a physical model of the human voice with enough parameters where the user could make any kind of voice he could possibly conceive of. So maybe he won't ever be able to copy Elton John's vocal chords exactly, but he could come up with a physical model, provided how skillful he was with the software, that was close.

There are lots of singers out there with similar voices.

These 3 come to mind right away.

Kim Carnes
Bonnie Tyler
Rod Stewart

Then you have

Paul McCartney
Emitt Rhodes

I could go on and on. Hell, how many country singers sound almost alike?

Even that software, without being able to imitate a singer exactly, I would pay mega bucks for as long as it produced a quality voice that I could mold to whatever sound I wanted.

In fact, I think something like that would be incredibly cool and exciting.

[Michael L]

Moderators should forbid you create topics.

Now that's something worth paying $1000 for

Wags had a New Years Resolution of 'no trainwrecks.'
But I think he just got bored...

[donkey tugger]

I'd pay up to a tenner for the Mark E Smith version.

[wagtunes]

Moderators should forbid you create topics.

Now that's something worth paying $1000 for

Wags had a New Years Resolution of 'no trainwrecks.'
But I think he just got bored...

I just don't like hypocrites.

"Vocal software is morally wrong" (as they head to their DAW to bring up their 70 piece orchestra composition that is virtually indistinguishable from the real thing)

[andrelafosse]

I'd pay up to a tenner for the Mark E Smith version.

Only if it comes with a bonus "Granny on bongos" sample set.

[noiseboyuk]

I'd pay up to a tenner for the Mark E Smith version.

Ha!

It's all likely to open (another) legal minefield. If the software were clever enough, you could just play it a few songs of any singer and it would be able to map the characteristics. Personally I'd give my throat for Jonas Bjerre's voice from Mew. Perhaps the next obvious logical step is that any singer - or the estate of a singer - could watermark their voices, so if you did that the result would then be prohibited. So there would be market it copyright-free voices. And a market for cracked versions of the software. But then you'd have Shazam-like tools to detect cheating, and you'd get sued anyway.

As ever, the lesson from it all will be - sod music, move into law.

I quite like the idea of tweaking voices rather than changing them completely. Right now the tools are pretty crude - formant shifting etc, but making your voice 20% more like Whoever would be tough to resist, just as autotune is tough to resist now. Listen to a pop song from the 90s or earlier, and often you'll hear howlers that bedroom producers would never let through now. Madonna, T'Pau, Catatonia all leap to mind. Autotune can be pretty invisible if you do it right, and I'd assume it would be the same as this to just nudge a voice's timbre in a particular direction rather than turn it up to 100%.

[Neon Breath]

Wow. By reading wagtunes posts and replies about how he doesn’t like people, their opinions, he doesn’t care and how we are all hypocrites to his eyes, I understand better now why his best friend is a puppet...

[fluffy_little_something]

There might also be copyright/legal problems. Since each voice is unique, I doubt a known singer would be happy if anyone could simply emulate his or her voice. It would basically amount to fraud.

[thecontrolcentre]

I understand better now why his best friend is a puppet...

The puppet doesn't like him either ...