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thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:23 pm

Baron Strucker?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:25 pm

baron von strucker, nick furys arch nemesis (even more so than hitler, who he punched out a couple of times)

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:28 pm

I stopped reading Marvel stuff back in the 70s when I discovered 2000AD ... been trying to catch up via the movies recently. Its all changed ... except Peter Parker is still 17.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:32 pm

yes it has. confusingly so (both marvel and dc) the whole multiverse and intergalactic, i cant keep up with whos who, when they throw like seven spidermen, all peter parker in one story? my brain melts. (secret wars battle world)

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:36 pm

I heard that in the comics Spiderman is now Dr. Octopus ...

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:38 pm

in "superior spiderman" he was for a bit i think, but the peter parker mind fought back and took over.

it was the old psychic take over of peter parkers body trick.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:41 pm

Whew. Thank goodness for that ...

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:45 pm

worse still, im sure james jonah jameson married aunt may, or it might have been his dad? but its like, in new york, theres only a few families?
all of peters mates or their dads turn out to be spidermans enemies. how small is the place?

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:53 pm

vurt wrote:as interesting as the challenge might be, without artefacts is going to be nigh on impossible id imagine.
there are so many variables involved in just a sentence, the amount of automation and fiddling "live" after you've managed to program the initial patch, its a level of complexity that would probably mean anyone capable of playing said instrument to a point where its indistinguishable from an actual singer, theyd be as in demand as an actual singer.

I think these are engineering problems, not challenging the laws of physics. Thinking conventionally, you might guess that if the first flawed unit is 5 years away, it might be 50 years until it got seamless. However, since the technology underpinning this is machine learning, it might end up being a lot quicker than that.

And ya know I sorta hope not. I get the feeling of horror many have expressed here, singing from the soul and all that feels somehow different to a virtual guitar or a cello. But I do think a) there's no clear intellectual argument to distinguish it and anyway b) it's an inevitability. If it can be done it will be done cf Jurassic Park.

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:58 pm

Too soon?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:59 pm

im not saying we wont have an acceptable sounding human voice from a computer.
im saying one without any distinguishing artefacts from a real singing voice, is not only going to take the technology but also a damn skilled operator to keep the whole thing fluid, don't forget for this to work you have to somehow automate all those variables, in time with the words you are saying.

and also that said technology when available wont be hitting the streets for a grand, maybe down the line but initially that's going to be, as you've referenced rurassic park, a top end movie sound design tool, for a long while before it becomes consumer level.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:00 pm

donkey tugger wrote:Too soon?

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:02 pm

vurt wrote:worse still, im sure james jonah jameson married aunt may, or it might have been his dad? but its like, in new york, theres only a few families?
all of peters mates or their dads turn out to be spidermans enemies. how small is the place?

Super small. Interbreeding is a problem when alliterations are used.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:13 pm

vurt wrote:im not saying we wont have an acceptable sounding human voice from a computer.
im saying one without any distinguishing artefacts from a real singing voice, is not only going to take the technology but also a damn skilled operator to keep the whole thing fluid, don't forget for this to work you have to somehow automate all those variables, in time with the words you are saying.

and also that said technology when available wont be hitting the streets for a grand, maybe down the line but initially that's going to be, as you've referenced rurassic park, a top end movie sound design tool, for a long while before it becomes consumer level.

Quite possibly, yes. Like I said, it's doubtful I will see this in my lifetime, but one can still hope. I'm sure in 1968 (50 years ago) nobody imagined some of the technology we have today.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:19 pm

Didn't you watch Star Trek?

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