The new music bizz is all about sucking money out of DIY artists

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cryophonik
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5259 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Elk Grove, CA

Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:34 pm

sfd wrote: Becase that was the benefits of being singed in the good old days.
Not sure if that was a typo, or intentional :lol:

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thecontrolcentre
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23185 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Re: The new music bizz is all about sucking money out of DIY artists

Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:05 pm

herodotus wrote:
vurt wrote:i remember back before software, when guitars, keyboards and drums where all free :cry:
great days!
Funny, I don't remember that at all.

In fact, I seem to recall working weekends as a kid and signing over my checks to the local drum shop.

The UK must be a really different place.

:o

:hihi:
In the 80s I got a government grant to buy a guitar amp, to help me get off benefits. I ended up on the Enterprise Allowance Scheme as a musician ... dole plus £10.

Robmobius
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3102 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).

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Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:27 pm

No one owes anyone anything... Life is tough better get a helmet. :roll:
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herodotus
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5482 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities

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Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:00 pm

I have never gotten a damn thing from the government.

:-x

Well, except for the down payment assistance on my house. Where I have my home studio. With my cheap but awesome microphones and 16 track interface and laptop with more cool audio stuff than I could have imagined possible in the 80s.

I guess I should stop bitching.

:hihi:

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jancivil
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16111 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

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Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:14 pm

gummint pays me to stay out the workforce

under the notion I could go postal

Dasheesh
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2806 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

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Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:30 pm

Robmobius wrote:No one owes anyone anything... Life is tough better get a helmet. :roll:

I just wanted to say... ^^^ this is the correct answer.

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thecontrolcentre
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23185 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

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Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:33 pm

herodotus wrote:I have never gotten a damn thing from the government.

:-x

Well, except for the down payment assistance on my house. Where I have my home studio. With my cheap but awesome microphones and 16 track interface and laptop with more cool audio stuff than I could have imagined possible in the 80s.

I guess I should stop bitching.

:hihi:
Haha. Music gear was relatively expensive in the 80s. Having a four track and a microphone was a real luxury. There's never been a better time for musicians so far as equipment prices are concerned.

Dasheesh
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2806 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

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Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:39 pm

I don't know why i am responding to this. I shouldn't even be here right now... but I'm going to do it anyway. It's about LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR. If you want a hit... a hit, by definition, "hits" the most people possible.. stupid, or not stupid. Try it, I dare you, because the "hit" makers are the ones with gold and the studios.

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jancivil
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16111 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

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Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:12 pm

Dasheesh wrote:
Robmobius wrote:No one owes anyone anything... Life is tough better get a helmet. :roll:
I just wanted to say... ^^^ this is the correct answer.
Tough guys, yeah. :party:

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donkey tugger
Boss Lovin' DR
4953 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

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Post Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:27 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:Enterprise Allowance Scheme as a musician ... dole plus £10.
And of course there was the other scheme - ET; 'Employment Training', or 'Extra Tenner' as it was more commonly known. :hihi:

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4damind
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4661 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany

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Post Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:20 am

Zombie Queen wrote:
4damind wrote:To become a successful artist you must also learn to run a business, this means in most cases that you must learn how to sell a product and most important: you must have a great product.
This sounds very reasonable, but the fact of life, as far as I can see, is that product that actually sells is far from great. Check out on a radio.
A great product can also mean "fits well the genre" or it's so different that many people like it because.. it's different.
Most singers cannot really sing.. there are dozens of examples of very successful groups where the lead singer cannot sing very well.. but "perfection" is not so important to be successful. Maybe it's better to say "you must be different".

Anyway, most music is not good enough (=interesting enough) or sometimes the production quality is really bad.

Ok, there are some hints for a successful song ;) Many successful songs sharing the same or similar chord progressions. I remember some well known 80s producers like Stock/Aitken/Waterman (Kylie Minogue, Rick Astley, Bananarama, Dead Or Alife,... the list of known acts is very long). Yes, most of this songs sounding very similar but this stuff was commercially very successful.

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Aloysius
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22468 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from a computer

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Post Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:25 am

When I was a lad, we used to gather around the fireplace with our hardware T-Pain Microphones and sing the olde classics like ''friday'' (by Rebecca Black). They were hard times but good times.
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203 posts since 18 Mar, 2003 from Jacksonville, FL

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Post Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:01 am

Outside of those extremely rare discoveries like a Bieber on YT, most bands still are found the old-fashioned way. They do tons of live shows, build up a following with DIY releases and then outwork everyone. All so that when they "hit it" they can be borderline broke for the rest of their musical lives.
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1677 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

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Post Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:41 am

Try taking away the infrastructure that you depend on for a day and come back and tell us that you didn't get a damn thing from the government.
herodotus wrote:I have never gotten a damn thing from the government.
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Post Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:52 am

Scotty wrote:Try taking away the infrastructure that you depend on for a day and come back and tell us that you didn't get a damn thing from the government.
herodotus wrote:I have never gotten a damn thing from the government.
That would have been a lot cleverer if you hadnt selectively excised the part of his post where he refuted that statement himself.
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