KVR Audio

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:48 pm

HI

I am new to Orion and find that some vst's are too big to fully expose (!) themselves in the Orion window -any tips on Exposing the fullness of a large GUI in Orion - forgive my playfullness!

Flipper.

jouni · Post by **jouni** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:58 pm

Use larger resolution, get bigger monitor.. or just ask the VST authors to make their GUI smaller. Dump the VST and get better/smaller one.

no_barcode · Post by **no_barcode** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:12 pm

Mark Vera wrote:Use larger resolution, get bigger monitor.. or just ask the VST authors to make their GUI smaller. Dump the VST and get better/smaller one.

Right, it's the plugin's fault.

saulc12 · Post by **saulc12** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:41 pm

original flipper wrote:HI

I am new to Orion and find that some vst's are too big to fully expose (!) themselves in the Orion window -any tips on Exposing the fullness of a large GUI in Orion - forgive my playfullness!

Flipper.

You can change resolution or some VSTs offer a smaller GUI option, alternatively you could try to get by with just those VSTs that fit if you really have serious constraints on resolution such as a relatively low res TFT screen or a low spec gfx card. I hope you will find a solution - you could try using a virtual screen option if your gfx card supports this (that is to say a screen res that is larger than the displayed area but can be scrolled. Good luck.

opiadream · Post by **opiadream** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:53 pm

I'd say change the resolution too

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:44 am

Which VSTi are you specifically having issues with? What kind of monitor do you have? What resolution is it running at?

no_barcode, of course its the plugin's fault. Who wants an interface that takes up your whole screen at any resolution? It seems to me that few developers bother to take those sorts of limitations into account. I can get nearly 70 parameters into a 680x170 pixel interface but many other instruments with a similar number of parameters take up 4 times the screen-space or more for no reason that I can discern.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:00 am

Flipper, You're gonna need a resolution of at least 1024x768..even better is 1280x1028..

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no_barcode · Post by **no_barcode** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:51 am

BONES wrote:no_barcode, of course its the plugin's fault. Who wants an interface that takes up your whole screen at any resolution? It seems to me that few developers bother to take those sorts of limitations into account. I can get nearly 70 parameters into a 680x170 pixel interface but many other instruments with a similar number of parameters take up 4 times the screen-space or more for no reason that I can discern.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The host should produce a scrollbar. Period. In this case, if anyone has failed to take certain circumstances into consideration, it would be the developer of the host. Unless there is a maximum size limit in the VST standard that I am unaware of. If that were the case, you'd have a valid point.

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Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:08 am

no_barcode wrote:
Mark Vera wrote:Use larger resolution, get bigger monitor.. or just ask the VST authors to make their GUI smaller. Dump the VST and get better/smaller one.
Right, it's the plugin's fault.

reminds me of this thing that was said by some fruity-guy: "if you cant lower your resolution (for sytrus gui) because your other VSTi's won't fit, your other VSTi's are too BIG!"

Jesus that cracked me up. I used it as my sig for while, because i didn't want the moment to die.

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:33 pm

HI

I am using 1024*768.

I tried 1280*1024 - made me feel ill!

1152*864 - seems better.

I always thought that EVERYTHING changes when you shift screen resolution - there you go; learn something new every day

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Flipper.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:10 pm

I use 1024x768 and if the GUI is too big, i dont use the piece of shit VSTi, simple as old boy

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:18 pm

no_barcode wrote:The host should produce a scrollbar. Period.

So you end up scrolling away and losing about 8 other plugins that were previously on the screen and readily available? Are there any hosts at all that let you do this? Not being sarcastic, genuinely curious.

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:25 pm

HI

Anyone tried using Sytrus in those high resolutions -shit some of the faders are 2*6 pixels!

I suppose I might have to go 48" plasma then - I was hoping to wait until spring for that upgrade

.

Flipper.

riccardosantiago · Post by **riccardosantiago** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:09 pm

ceenda wrote:
no_barcode wrote:The host should produce a scrollbar. Period.
So you end up scrolling away and losing about 8 other plugins that were previously on the screen and readily available? Are there any hosts at all that let you do this? Not being sarcastic, genuinely curious.

Here comes the science bit...

I'm assuming that no_barcode meant that the host should provide a scrollbar as part of the vst "wrapper".

The host (any host) opens each new vst in a wrapper "window" which has a maximum possible size determined by the software's author, usually for aesthetic reasons rather than technical ones.

If the vst's interface is larger than this maximum, scrollbars appear bottom and right to enable scrolling of the interface (just like the scrollbars on the right of this page only appear when the page becomes "longer" than 768 pixels (or whatever resolution your monitor is set to).

Project 5 does this if my memory serves. Not sure about others.

Hope I understood your query correctly & that this info is useful (or failing that, at least answers your question

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ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:34 pm

Ah, the wrapper. Gotcha.

I thought no_barcode was meaning the entire host layout, where your playlist, mixer and piano rolls etc. were situated. Making the wrapper re-sizable above a certain limit makes sense.

Can't fit me vst GUI in Orion!