KVR Audio

Timfonie · Post by **Timfonie** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:29 pm

One simple question: how is the availability of sound- and music-generating software influencing the perception of music?
In other words: does the the fact that digital music-creation-tools have become available to anyone influence how special certain music is? In the very past it was rare to experience a classical live performance. In the past century it was possible to buy a guitar and maybe an amplifier and there was music which might attract many many listeners. Today however, digital music environments are ubiquitous. About anyone can create music with the proper software and energy. You can even use your smart phone to create a song!
So .. is creating music doomed? Will it attract too few fans to gain a living out of it? Will it develop into a hobbyist style of art where one is largely making music for one self? Wil smart software and artificial intelligence ever be able to substitute human creative effort?

Software had offered us so many tools. It's really wonderfull compared to last century!
It doesn't help us in being unique though. How will you be able to generate uniqueness in a world full of generative machines? I'd like to hear your opinions on smart software!

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:31 pm

It won't. AI is not intelligent. It's just a bunch of code, innit?

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:50 pm

Aloysius wrote:It won't. AI is not intelligent. It's just a bunch of code, innit?

It's already moved beyond that point. People are getting killed by robots now.

What will happen is the AI will make the music for you, and feed it to you through what ever apparatus you are using... "looking at you glass holes".

Armagibbon · Post by **Armagibbon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:13 am

Ai is real damn good at collecting and sorting info but it aint all that great at the whole thinking part right? You saw that demo by nvidia? Yea it knows john williams damn well but its f*ckin shit at composing. F*ck even I could do better and I only f*ckin started on the deep shit. So what I think? Ai is gonna be used in place of other refs. Peeps are still gonna want music made by the good cats with the skills and that's how it's gonna be. But its gonna be a ton easier to find inspiration and ideas cuz that's what ai is gonna do.

Still waitin on google to make a search by sound when you can just mimic a noise on a mic and it finds that shit. That's the dream man...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:14 am

Aloysius wrote:It won't. AI is not intelligent. It's just a bunch of code, innit?

Exactly. People really overestimate "A.I.". The human brain is so much more than a couple of programmed and imitated routines. Especially when it comes to art and music, there's creativity and emotions involved, which will never be mimicked by A.I.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:18 am

LoL, it's a matter of collecting enough data. How long do you think that's going to take? Ever wondered why you allowed to post stuff free on line?

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:23 am

And for goodness sakes. If you don’t think computers are already making your music... smh. This is going to piss me off ... I can see it coming, so I’m going to go play Skyrim now... with the half dozen AI mods I downloaded to make it better. Ta.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:26 am

What a A.I. does now is a small, small, small fraction of what the human brain is capable of. And even for that, it is programmed routines, there's no creative, spontaneous, or emotional thought process involved. It's as if you'd show a monkey a banana and an apple, and you teach him to point at the banana, when you say "banana". Actually, it's even more stupid, because you don't train a living being, making use of its (limited) intelligence. You program certain scenarios and possibilities. So, the software is not at all "smart", it is just what you input, and plan it to do. That whole talk of A.I. is actually quite a nonsense, you should rather call it "routine" or something similar, because it isn't "intelligence" at all. Not in the sense a human brain is intelligent. There's no way a A.I. will ever be creative.

pekbro · Post by **pekbro** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:35 am

Really, data storage capacity is all that is holding back AI that has the potential of surpassing the human mind.

No doubt many other implications exist beyond that, but for the most part science is leaning towards the idea that everything that makes us who we are can be explained as a physical process.

If indeed that turns out to be the case, logically, it’s nearly impossible that it won’t happen one day.

The programming of it isn’t the hard part actually. At that point it will be able to learn on its own. It only lacks the vast database of knowledge that makes up a thinking mind. And yes, it is vast, on par with the number of stars in the sky, which is why it’s so hard.

Aleatoriac · Post by **Aleatoriac** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:39 am

Depends on what you mean by intelligence.

Information processing? Sure. Our stupid slaveboxes are intelligent. Given the correct code they can calculate faster than you and I. Alpha Go, etc. kicking Human ass at specific tasks. Sure. And that pocket of fail will shrink smaller and smaller as the processing gets more and more integrated.

I think consciousness is the thing, and I don't think that happens in the way Humans describe it absent some kind of noise in the integrated information processing. Some capacity to be traumatized and SUFFER pathology is what is needed for consciousness and creativity (probably).

But even the dumb search algorithms have influenced the perception and creation of music. Any dumb ape thinks we're the apex of information processing and consciousness may be right. For now.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:40 am

Once A.I. are at a level where they can evolve themselves....everything is possible.
Emotions are just biochemical reactions

Who knows what A.I. could do or „feel“ in some decades.
If there will be ever aliens to visit us, i‘m sure it will be at least a biomechanical lifeform since humans are to slow to evolve.
It will not happen tomorrow but i believe really it will happen some day.
I mean people believe in words written in old books but can‘t imagine we are not so unique.
Resistance is futile...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:42 am

pekbro wrote:Really, data storage capacity is all that is holding back AI that has the potential of surpassing the human mind.

No doubt many other implications exist beyond that, but for the most part science is leaning towards the idea that everything that makes us who we are can be explained as a physical process.

If indeed that turns out to be the case, logically, it’s nearly impossible that it won’t happen one day.

The programming of it isn’t the hard part actually. At that point it will be able to learn on its own. It only lacks the vast database of knowledge that makes up a thinking mind. And yes, it is vast, on par with the number of stars in the sky, which is why it’s so hard.

Science didn't even figure out more than a fraction of what makes the human brain tick. How would you recreate something that complex, and unpredictable/non-linear in software? You'd need code from here to the milky way to do so, IF the human brain would be fully deciphered, which it won't be. Knowledge is not a database, it depends on your character, your will to learn, your interests, and lots of other things. That's so far above that it is unthinkable for me that this could ever be replicated in software, even with the most advanced computer system in 500 years. And even if you had that computing power, the intelligence needed to program such routines would exceed any human's intelligence.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:45 am

chk071 wrote:
pekbro wrote:Really, data storage capacity is all that is holding back AI that has the potential of surpassing the human mind.

No doubt many other implications exist beyond that, but for the most part science is leaning towards the idea that everything that makes us who we are can be explained as a physical process.

If indeed that turns out to be the case, logically, it’s nearly impossible that it won’t happen one day.

The programming of it isn’t the hard part actually. At that point it will be able to learn on its own. It only lacks the vast database of knowledge that makes up a thinking mind. And yes, it is vast, on par with the number of stars in the sky, which is why it’s so hard.
Science didn't even figure out more than a fraction of what makes the human brain tick. How would you recreate something that complex, and unpredictable/non-linear in software? You'd need code from here to the milky way to do so, IF the human brain would be fully deciphered, which it won't be. Knowledge is not a database, it depends on your character, your will to learn, your interests, and lots of other things. That's so far above that it is unthinkable for me that this could ever be replicated in software, even with the most advanced computer system in 500 years. And even if you had that computing power, the intelligence needed to program such routines would exceed any human's intelligence.

Maybe....but maybe there comes a point where A.I. evolves and just needs days where humans needed 1000 years.
Who says our brain is the most complex thing in the universe....maybe even not on earth

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:46 am

Aleatoriac wrote:Depends on what you mean by intelligence.

Information processing? Sure. Our stupid slaveboxes are intelligent. Given the correct code they can calculate faster than you and I. Alpha Go, etc. kicking Human ass at specific tasks. Sure. And that pocket of fail will shrink smaller and smaller as the processing gets more and more integrated.

That's no "intelligence" for me. A calculator is not intelligent, it calculates the input by programmed routines. It doesn't find new ways of calculating the input, or even invents calculation. It does nothing more than what you program it to do. It is not intelligent, it just follows a programmed routine. And that's the whole point i was making, really.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:51 am

chk071 wrote:
Aleatoriac wrote:Depends on what you mean by intelligence.

Information processing? Sure. Our stupid slaveboxes are intelligent. Given the correct code they can calculate faster than you and I. Alpha Go, etc. kicking Human ass at specific tasks. Sure. And that pocket of fail will shrink smaller and smaller as the processing gets more and more integrated.
That's no "intelligence" for me. A calculator is not intelligent, it calculates the input by programmed routines. It doesn't find new ways of calculating the input, or even invents calculation. It does nothing more than what you program it to do. It is not intelligent, it just follows a programmed routine. And that's the whole point i was making, really.

What would be a human without parents or adults to „program“ them? An empty space

I think nearly everything is possible in a far future. The earth is not a plate!

How will smart software (artificial intelligence) influence the perception and creation of music?