How will smart software (artificial intelligence) influence the perception and creation of music?

[chk071]

Parents don't program, they teach. And that's the point. A computer works in a totally different way than the human brain. It needs data to process, and it needs to be told anything, because it can't learn. Only in ways you programmed it to learn. So, instead of the parents, you'd need to replace those with the "creator". Thing is though that the creator created us in a totally different way to a machine. We even forget things, or get totally nervous, when we're frightened, which makes us act totally unpredictably. But, we also are able to create things, without any kind of programming, commands, or input of variables. I never heard of a computer which invented a computer, or something similar.

[Cinebient]

Parents don't program, they teach. And that's the point. A computer works in a totally different way than the human brain. It needs data to process, and it needs to be told anything, because it can't learn. Only in ways you programmed it to learn. So, instead of the parents, you'd need to replace it with the "creator". Thing is though that the creator created us in a totally different way to a machine.

But that‘s what could change.
I mean i‘m a sci-fi fan and of course a lot is fantasy but i have an open mind here really and humans often don’t believed the science in the past, even they were right.
Read what Steven Hawkins said about A.I.
But yes, we are humans and all believe and can imagine other things....that might be our end one day.

[chk071]

Parents don't program, they teach. And that's the point. A computer works in a totally different way than the human brain. It needs data to process, and it needs to be told anything, because it can't learn. Only in ways you programmed it to learn. So, instead of the parents, you'd need to replace it with the "creator". Thing is though that the creator created us in a totally different way to a machine.

But that‘s what could change.
I mean i‘m a sci-fi fan and of course a lot is fantasy but i have an open mind here really and humans often don’t believed the science in the past, even they were right.

You're right, but, the human brain is so damn complex, undeciphered, and often unpredictable, and computers on the other hand work in a completely different base, on a input data and process it kind of base, that i don't see how something that complex and unpredictable could ever be simulated (because that's all you can do) in software. Even if you take "trivial" things like driving physics, you can only simulate a fraction of that in software, because, what is goind on in the reality is so complex that, even if you deciphered everything, and took everything in account (which you can't), you'd still needs the fastest computer available today to calculate all that. I don't see how simulating a human would be possible, ever. That's not crowning the human as the top of all things, it's just facing that a computer, and software aren't really compatible with the way living beings behave. You won't be able to code a Orang Utan with all its quirks either. At least, it wouldn't be what it is in the real life. It'd just be a collection of subroutines you discovered when observing the animal.

[pekbro]

Well imho, it’s a mistake to think that the “programming” behind the thought process is particularly complicated. Nature doesn’t really work that way. It’s more about small instructions that add up to complicated ones. You can go a good way towards replicating the way life behaves with about 3 simple rules actually.

Anyway, I’m not going to get too far into a discussion like that here. Especially since no one can reliably even begin to prove any side of the argument.

[Aloysius]

Ah go on. You know you want to.

[Cinebient]

Since we talk about simulation:
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160901 ... not-matter

[Dasheesh]

How hard would it be for this guy to play 12 keys... if he thought it important enough?




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[Dasheesh]

And right on cue... my Mozilla browser is now recommending me articles about AI taking over the world in my “pocket”. AI watching me and recommending me articles to click on. It’s learning about me and it's trying to convince me to click on stuff.

[Kinh]

Parents don't program, they teach. And that's the point. A computer works in a totally different way than the human brain. It needs data to process, and it needs to be told anything, because it can't learn. Only in ways you programmed it to learn. So, instead of the parents, you'd need to replace those with the "creator". Thing is though that the creator created us in a totally different way to a machine. We even forget things, or get totally nervous, when we're frightened, which makes us act totally unpredictably. But, we also are able to create things, without any kind of programming, commands, or input of variables. I never heard of a computer which invented a computer, or something similar.

What on earth are you talking about?

[Kinh]

So .. is creating music doomed? Will it attract too few fans to gain a living out of it? Will it develop into a hobbyist style of art where one is largely making music for one self? Wil smart software and artificial intelligence ever be able to substitute human creative effort?

Music becomes more complex and stylized as technology develops, that's all. So what this means is those bedroom producers who use it to do all the work will always sound too generic and cliched to make any money off it up against someone who does it for a living. You have to stay ahead of the game.

Software had offered us so many tools. It's really wonderfull compared to last century!
It doesn't help us in being unique though. How will you be able to generate uniqueness in a world full of generative machines? I'd like to hear your opinions on smart software!

These machines dont generate the melody or lyric or the things that actually make the song unique, all they'll ever be good for is laying a foundation for something.

I think you should be more concerned about subscriptions and the technology that's driving people away from buying music if you're talking about the future.

Personally, I think we put too much focus on making software for creating music and not enough on technology for devices which play music. That's what's missing now and the reason I believe no one's buying anything except concert tickets. If a new format was developed to package with CDs we'd bring back physical sales. If there was a device of this format that made listening more interactive and visual than youtube music would have more value. Youtube and others have devalued music. Fight fire with fire.

[Touch The Universe]

There is soft AI and hard AI. The soft is what we have and or building and is what we will have for many decades, atleast. Hard AI is the scifi stuff that is 50 years, to centuries away, if ever.

[Tj Shredder]

So .. is creating music doomed? Will it attract too few fans to gain a living out of it? Will it develop into a hobbyist style of art where one is largely making music for one self? Wil smart software and artificial intelligence ever be able to substitute human creative effort?

Originally music is a personal expression shared with the members of your tribe. Everybody would play music.
The one thing nobody wants to be replaced by A.I. is expression and creativity, that is the fun part of human existance.
Making a living is a doomed concept of slavery and capitalism...

Software had offered us so many tools. It's really wonderfull compared to last century!
It doesn't help us in being unique though. How will you be able to generate uniqueness in a world full of generative machines? I'd like to hear your opinions on smart software!

I started programming and creating algorithmic music in the last century. If you invent your own rules for the generative tools you create yourself, the outcome will be unique...!
What we see in this century is tons of tools which help you to sound like someone else, because that sells. If you have a tool to find chord progressions, you don't do it yourself and thus miss out the creative, the fun part, and there will be no surprise and nothing new either.
Those tools help constructing music, they don't help playing music.
Music needs to be played. Then it has the potential to touch. This has not changed since the beginning of mankind...

I think you should be more concerned about subscriptions and the technology that's driving people away from buying music if you're talking about the future.

Personally, I think we put too much focus on making software for creating music and not enough on technology for devices which play music. That's what's missing now and the reason I believe no one's buying anything except concert tickets.

In concerts music is played!
The least I miss is a device that plays music, I want humans to play music!
In the future nobody will buy music, you will happily pay musicians to play music. And if you look closer, it has always been like that...
A CD or a youtube video is just a documentation of music being played... I can appreciate it because I know a musician played it, there is a personal story behind it I can connect to...

[Coxy]

It won't. AI is not intelligent. It's just a bunch of code, innit?

Human intelligence is just a series of electrical impulses firing across nerves.

[Xenobioz]

Most humans make music that is based on what they learnt and listened to. So why should the music of an A.I. be worse, it's the same process. I wonder if the amount of data for both humans and A.I. is around the same size for making music. There are many ways you can feed an A.I. data. One is MIDI data and another is feeding the whole songs waveform as data. The results are quite different were one gives MIDI gives you midi files and the other one gives you wave files which capture the atmosphere of the music. It would be interesting if a combination would be fed to the A.I.
I think it's only a question of time or data, for an A.I. to make good music. But music is more abstract, so it's harder to set a goal for the A.I. to try to reach for.

[Aloysius]

It won't. AI is not intelligent. It's just a bunch of code, innit?

Human intelligence is just a series of electrical impulses firing across nerves.

That's what they told you it is. That doesn't make it a fact.