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Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:59 am

So I seem to have noticed that a lot of 12" get released with recent acapellas and beat tracks, I mean stuff that you won't find floating around the net for a while. Which means that if I want access, I guess it's time to invest in a turntable; I don't need a Technics or anything...just something that will give me access to a record.

I'm completely oblivious to the rest of the process. I have an M-Audio MobilePre, and I rely on FLStudio and SoundForge 6 for almost everything. So how do I get say an acapella from a record into my pc? I've heard the term phono preamp floating around...do I need to get one of those? And then do the inputs from the preamp go into the MobilePre's inst in or mic in? Or maybe there are similar bus-powered cards like the M-Audio that have a built-in phono preamp? I hope someone can point the way, and I hope that I'm even thinking in the right direction.

tuz · Post by **tuz** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:23 am

I'd record it from line in of the soundcard to a live wav recorder program. If you have a creative soundcard it comes with a recorder. that's just my opinion.

Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:36 am

tuz wrote:I'd record it from line in of the soundcard to a live wav recorder program. If you have a creative soundcard it comes with a recorder. that's just my opinion.

So you're saying that I can go straight from the turntable right into the souncard? I guess it's easier than I thought

tuz · Post by **tuz** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:41 am

definitely. try it with a cd player just get a line in cable and record directly to the pc. I've done it with my minidisc player and it works... and trust me I'm no technical genius. like I said though you need some kind of software to do that.

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:42 am

most turtables need to be amped up to get the signal hearable.

you could invest in a stanton str8-100 that has a direct out that can plug directly into a soundcard.

There may be cheaper versions of stanton turntables that can do the same thing.

good luck

dw

Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:59 am

Thanks, boys. Time to do a little research

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:10 am

You need a turntable preamp to get the level up to line level. Most turntables also have a grounding wire which needs to be tied to ground via the preamp. Otherwise if you try just running straight into the PC and cranking up the gain, you'll likely get some unwanted buzzing. A turntable/phono preamp can be found for very little money... I got mine used for $10.

Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:21 am

deastman wrote:Most turntables also have a grounding wire which needs to be tied to ground via the preamp.

I got everything except this part

What does this mean exactly?

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:24 am

I couldn't even get a proper signal going from my turntable (ie record player.

) into my mixer and then into the soundcard.

What is it about the phono preamp that does a different job than the preamps on the mixer? If I could suss this, I have an LP I desperately need to transfer into the digital domain.

Greg

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:49 am

the phono preamp applies the RIAA standard EQ to the signal restoring the bass and reducing the highs
it was meant to use less large grooves on the disc(less bass, thinner grooves)

BTW, can someone tell me how many groove there is on a LP)

so either find a turntable with a line out or use some kind of preamp( youre home stereo system might have a phono input on it)
the numark TTX even has a s/pdif out

kilroy · Post by **kilroy** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:04 am

BTW, can someone tell me how many groove there is on a LP)

Erm...all mine just have one.

Weird.

Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:25 am

Another question: once you get the turntable signal into the soundcard, is it then just an analog recording? That is, the quality of your recording is subject to the quality of your AD converters on the soundcard?

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:32 am

yes indeed

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:44 am

Yes, but if you're using anything even remotely decent, it will more than adequately rise to the task. The weakest link will be the preamp, not the soundcard. And since a $10 phono preamp will do the trick, I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for the info on that phono bit, too... I do indeed have a home stereo with a phono input. It's a bitch to disconnect, though, because of how tricky it is to access the back of our entertainment unit.

Greg

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:53 am

kilroy wrote:
BTW, can someone tell me how many groove there is on a LP)
Erm...all mine just have one.

Weird.

i know, i would even say 2(or am i missing something about the grooves goingback on the b side by the edge, maybe i'm too stoned)

recording from vinyl