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blowback time · Post by **blowback time** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:20 am

Aloysius wrote:
Coxy wrote:
Aloysius wrote:It won't. AI is not intelligent. It's just a bunch of code, innit?
Human intelligence is just a series of electrical impulses firing across nerves.
That's what they told you it is. That doesn't make it a fact.

So what made this, errr... 'system' you are describing and what makes it work on a daily basis in billions of humans, with NO bugs? Ah, this just happened by itself, in the course of 'evolution' (a very vague term), right? Coxy, but if what you're saying is true, this means that you're dead, mate. Sorry to break it to you!

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:39 am

blowback time wrote:
Aloysius wrote:
Coxy wrote:
Aloysius wrote:It won't. AI is not intelligent. It's just a bunch of code, innit?
Human intelligence is just a series of electrical impulses firing across nerves.
That's what they told you it is. That doesn't make it a fact.
So what made this, errr... 'system' you are describing and what makes it work on a daily basis in billions of humans, with NO bugs? Ah, this just happened by itself, in the course of 'evolution' (a very vague term), right? Coxy, but if what you're saying is true, this means that you're dead, mate. Sorry to break it to you!

No bugs? Lol...the human OS is full of bugs

We are still in beta phase.

spunkmuffin · Post by **spunkmuffin** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:10 am

Cinebient wrote:We are still in beta phase.

I'm still in alpha.

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:20 am

*Continues to rock Koan Pro even though it doesn't even install on my OS*

Synthman2000 · Post by **Synthman2000** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:41 am

It will be both pointless and sh*t. Like all AI in creative process. Music is about human expression, feelings, and most importantly actual life... you know something AI can never have. And don't let some up their own a**hole technologist tell you otherwise. You do not need the religion of AI. Not all technology is good. The world is infected with the disease of AI technology...they have created a premise that to shun it means you are backwards. Akin to blasphemy.

I am no luddite but we should think about what is happening VERY carefully.

Some dead algo has no place in music.

Made by AI? I personally won't give it the time of day. Empty, meaningless and disposable.

Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:53 am

Synthman2000 wrote:It will be both pointless and sh*t. Like all AI in creative process. Music is about human expression, feelings, and most importantly actual life... you know something AI can never have. And don't let some up their own a**hole technologist tell you otherwise. You do not need the relgion iof AI. Not all technology is good. The world is infected with the disease of AI technology...they have create a premise that to shun it means you are backwards. Akin to blasphemy.

I am luddite but we should think about what is happening VERY carefully.

Some dead algo has no place in music.

Made by AI? I personally won't give it the time of day. Empty, meaningless and disposable.

This is the sort of deeply emotional reaction there will be more examples of, as both AI and artifacts made by AI advance. At some point, you deliberately "personally giving it time of day" will not even be possible without you actually knowing beforehand whether the artifact you're witnessing is (wholly or partly) of AI origin or not. At that point, if you don't know, you won't be able to tell just by observing the artifact itself.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:57 am

Artificial Idiot

Synthman2000 · Post by **Synthman2000** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:59 am

Summed it up in a word.. emotion. Lack thereof, end of story.

Sometimes silence is better than noise. AI music creation is a example No.1

Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:17 am

chk071 wrote:You won't be able to code a Orang Utan with all its quirks either. At least, it wouldn't be what it is in the real life. It'd just be a collection of subroutines you discovered when observing the animal.

The idea of simulating an intelligent being via routines and subroutines derived from observing how the being interacts and reacts, then crafting 1:1 software counterparts of those reactionary mechanisms, is the old "naive" AI approach that was proposed when it first became possible to do such rigid algorithmic data processing in an automated fashion. Most non-educated rebuttals of the "possibility" of actual artificial intelligence are targeting this sort of design, even though it's a thing of the 1960s and 1970s.

The reality in the field is a lot more interesting than that. It's not about breaking down behavioral observations into subroutines, it's about building learning systems as powerful as the current computational capacity allows, and letting the actual behaviors and reactions be an emergent property of those systems. As the complexity of learning systems increases, one of the biggest challenges is, then, that those behaviors can be very opaque, as nobody designed them, they aren't particularly human-readable, and thus nobody knows exactly how they work after they have emerged.

Here's a nice article: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6040 ... art-of-ai/

Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:18 am

Synthman2000 wrote:Sometimes silence is better than noise. AI music creation is a example No.1

AI music creation will advance no matter whether you think it's example no.1 of noise or not

Synthman2000 · Post by **Synthman2000** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:21 am

Using more and more words does not make something either interesting, valuable or alive. I listen to music to connect with something. Listening to AI is a lonely place to be.

But if that is your goal, enjoy. Whatever makes you happy.

AI music is perfect for AI itself. For there to be "advancement" there needs to be a human judge. I won't be there.

Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:23 am

Synthman2000 wrote:But if that is your goal, enjoy. Whatever makes you happy.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:23 am

Synthman2000 wrote:Summed it up in a word.. emotion. Lack thereof, end of story.

Not a theory consistent with the amount of work already created by human beings in such a fashion that 'emotion' isnt a relevant consideration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musikalis ... Crfelspiel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_composition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_music

Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:24 am

Synthman2000 wrote:AI music is perfect for AI itself. For there to be "advancement" there needs to be a human judge. I won't be there.

If you aren't there, you also won't be able to know.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:26 am

Guenon wrote:The reality in the field is a lot more interesting than that. It's not about breaking down behavioral observations into subroutines, it's about building learning systems as powerful as the current computational capacity allows, and letting the actual behaviors and reactions be an emergent property of those systems. As the complexity of learning systems increases, one of the biggest challenges is, then, that those behaviors can be very opaque, as nobody designed them, they aren't particularly human-readable, and thus nobody knows exactly how they work after they have emerged.

You werent expecting naysaying based on the actual state of modern AI technologies, were you?

How will smart software (artificial intelligence) influence the perception and creation of music?