How will smart software (artificial intelligence) influence the perception and creation of music?

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vurt wrote:the guy put a car in space!
course hes right :D
With a dummy behind the wheel of a Tesla listening to David Bowie. You just can't get any cooler than that. 8)
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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jancivil wrote: That is every bit as boring an idea to me. It's plainly stupid.
Can’t say I agree with that, in some situations it would be very handy, long distance space travel and such.

Personally, I would probably opt for a few hundred years myself. The end of death is probably a bit too strong of a concept. More likely it would be a choice one would be able to make, die or continue. Nanotech, is not even the only avenue for that.

It probably only seems absurd to you because as humans we have such a limited perspective on the subject.

*of course it would all be free of physical aging as well, stopping that is how it would work actually.

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vurt wrote:however, as quantum computing is apparently (according to its makers) proving the existence of the multiverse, they suggest this means there is every possibility, we are the simulation.
so i was just throwing it out there.
The theory of a multiverse is not a scientific one, it is inherently not proofable. It is a philosophical thought experiment which even does not solve any philosophical question.
It came up, because physisists tend to believe that the world needs to be deterministic, but there is no evidence for a deterministic world. The multiverse theory is in fact a religion...
Being inside a simulation, is a nice thought experiment as well, but has no meaning to our concrete lifes...
To belief that there is a concrete reality is also a belief, but it makes sense...

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pekbro wrote:
jancivil wrote: That is every bit as boring an idea to me. It's plainly stupid.
Can’t say I agree with that, in some situations it would be very handy, long distance space travel and such.

Personally, I would probably opt for a few hundred years myself. The end of death is probably a bit too strong of a concept. More likely it would be a choice one would be able to make, die or continue. Nanotech, is not even the only avenue for that.

It probably only seems absurd to you because as humans we have such a limited perspective on the subject.
The invention of the death, is the most powerful one of the evolution, the one which really pushed it. Its only a problem out of a personal perspective. As conscious humans we tend to take ourself as too important and not replaceable. That is the driving force behind all dictators of the world. If you prolong human life, you just prolong dictatorship...

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There is a jelly fish which can regenerate it cells everytime they are close to die.
Maybe we live like in Altered Carbon in the future :D
The biggest problem is we are already way too much humans on the planet. First we would have to leave the planet (i‘m sure we will one day).
We might be the cancer of the universe then.
But maybe we are just forgotten in 1000 years and evolution starts new. We are a so young (and weird) species.
Do i want to live forever....not if i must work forever :hihi:

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Tj Shredder wrote:
vurt wrote:however, as quantum computing is apparently (according to its makers) proving the existence of the multiverse, they suggest this means there is every possibility, we are the simulation.
so i was just throwing it out there.
The theory of a multiverse is not a scientific one, it is inherently not proofable. It is a philosophical thought experiment which even does not solve any philosophical question.
It came up, because physisists tend to believe that the world needs to be deterministic, but there is no evidence for a deterministic world. The multiverse theory is in fact a religion...
Being inside a simulation, is a nice thought experiment as well, but has no meaning to our concrete lifes...
To belief that there is a concrete reality is also a belief, but it makes sense...
i did say 'appaently' and 'according to its makers'. ;)
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I have taken a few days to mull over this topic, and I think I’ve changed my mind a little bit. AI is obviously going to take over commercial work. If you want to get paid for music... you have to be young enough to take your shirt off and prance around like Miley. It’s more about getting paid for getting attention.

However, it’s not going to stop me from doing me. I’m still going to play music for the foreseeable future, same as I always have... so... I’ll be dirt before people can no longer tell the dif. I don’t want any part of that world. It’s not going to stop me playing music is my point.

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resistance is futile.
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chk071 wrote:
Aleatoriac wrote:Depends on what you mean by intelligence.

Information processing? Sure. Our stupid slaveboxes are intelligent. Given the correct code they can calculate faster than you and I. Alpha Go, etc. kicking Human ass at specific tasks. Sure. And that pocket of fail will shrink smaller and smaller as the processing gets more and more integrated.
That's no "intelligence" for me. A calculator is not intelligent, it calculates the input by programmed routines. It doesn't find new ways of calculating the input, or even invents calculation. It does nothing more than what you program it to do. It is not intelligent, it just follows a programmed routine. And that's the whole point i was making, really.
That's why calculators aren't called AI. Because AIs do find new ways. They are software capable of learning without further human input. You are massively underestimating current AIs and how fast they evolve right now. They will change our society in the next couple of decades in a dramatic fashion by taking over a huge number of jobs.

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Joke time:
Real artificial intelligence could delete your projects if it decides they are bad. So it's good for you, you don't have to take time to manually delete those "bad" projects.

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Synthman2000 wrote:Anyone who truly appreciates music knows AI music is dead, both actually and figuratively. It has no future because it has no past it comes from a place of zero experiences. Maybe for some that is the unique and interesting aspect, for me it comes from and empty place (not even empty because that place does not even exist), nothing and nowhere which is the opposite of human musical endeavour.

Music and its interdependence with emotion and other human factors means it is infinitely complex as it is an interaction between the creator and the listener. But that infinite complexity is relative to human experiences/memory/futures/lives/times/moments/people/places and probably 10's of other factors that are traits of human brain activity/auditory experience/consciousness.

Without consciousness in creation and consumption the true power of music is non existent.

A cave man and woman singing, making rudimentary rhythms from hand made instruments in a cave reverb is a million times more interesting and valuable than AI music.

AI music is as much use as jeans made from blue tissue paper.
AI can literally be fed by all available literature, films, music, news, commercials etc and human reactions to them. Our collective history and heritage.

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Someone said sexbots.

I'm in.

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Dasheesh wrote:If you want to get paid for music... you have to be young enough to take your shirt off and prance around like Miley. It’s more about getting paid for getting attention.


:P

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Most songs are love songs. Makes me wonder how a heart broken AI song will sound.

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mystran wrote:
Dasheesh wrote:If you want to get paid for music... you have to be young enough to take your shirt off and prance around like Miley. It’s more about getting paid for getting attention.


:P
Welp. Guess I’ll see ya’ll in the life... WTF.

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