Liquid Rhythm by WaveDNA. Opinions?

[Winstontaneous]

I have Liquid Rhythm and it worked OK in Ableton Live 9, but haven't tried it with Live 10 yet.

IME Logic 10.3 and 10.4 have the least stable plugin handling of any host I've used (Live, Reason, Reaper, Tracktion, EnergyXT, AudioMulch, Bitwig). Plugins that pass AU validation and work rock-solid in other hosts can crash Logic every time I use them.

I probably should have passed on this. In Logic 10.2 it was pretty buggy and cumbersome and now after upgrading to 10.4 it doesn't pass AU validation. I guess I should have figured it would be troublesome outside of Live since it was designed as an M4L device.
Oh well, I guess I might still find some use for the standalone application (that is if it still works in Sierra which I haven't tried yet).

[zzz00m]

I have quite a few midi patterns for drums, is there a way I can insert them into liquid rhythm so they show up as a preset or in the preset bank the same way you have presets for house and hip-hop etc .

Is there a way I can put my own custom patterns in . I know if I was to import them one by one and then save them to my favourites it's possible but I want to have them selected as different parts like hats snare patterns tops etc .

it would be good just to have say techno patterns in one preset .future house in another and so on .

I know that it has standard kits and patterns I just wanted to know if I could put my own patterns that show up in the same bank as the original standard ones

Not that I can see. There is no mention in the manual of any way to update the loops in the library. Nothing apparent in the GUI either.

Importing MIDI files looks to be the only way. But perhaps the whole approach taken with the designers of Liquid Rhythm was to NOT rely on MIDI loops, but to use the included tools to create your own patterns?

Every other drum program out there users loops and step sequencers. This is a bit different.

[Topcheese]

I have quite a few midi patterns for drums, is there a way I can insert them into liquid rhythm so they show up as a preset or in the preset bank the same way you have presets for house and hip-hop etc .

Is there a way I can put my own custom patterns in . I know if I was to import them one by one and then save them to my favourites it's possible but I want to have them selected as different parts like hats snare patterns tops etc .

it would be good just to have say techno patterns in one preset .future house in another and so on .

I know that it has standard kits and patterns I just wanted to know if I could put my own patterns that show up in the same bank as the original standard ones

You described the exact problem I have with LR. It is way too time consuming to construct beats in it. With that being said, you can include folders of midi loops under the sample tab in the library.

[zzz00m]

With that being said, you can include folders of midi loops under the sample tab in the library.

Thanks for that tip. I hadn't thought to add MIDI folders to the samples tab, but that works! I thought that was just for wav files...

You can preview the MIDI patterns from there by single clicking them, and double clicking opens the import dialogue.

[Sir Hannes]

Hi guys,

I am wondering if I can run LiquidMusic via PatchworkSynth in LogicPro9? Can anyone test this before I upgrade from LR to LM? Otherwise this makes no sense, as LM has no standalone.

Quite interesting concept btw.

Best

[zzz00m]

30 day trial here: https://shopify.wavedna.com/pages/liqui ... l-download

[2NDMOUSE]

Just bought this after seeing it for £13 on plugin boutiques BF sale.
Simple enough to understand, and once I discovered how to use the huge drum library I already have, it's infinitely useful. Great tool to use in conjunction with a ton of other things. No brainer at that price.

[Scotty]

I own it... it is not at all a no brainer imho ... not at any price. It is unstable, you have to learn to think of drums in the abstract. When I buy software I use it. This has been the exception... this is extremely poorly coded.

Just bought this after seeing it for £13 on plugin boutiques BF sale.
Simple enough to understand, and once I discovered how to use the huge drum library I already have, it's infinitely useful. Great tool to use in conjunction with a ton of other things. No brainer at that price.

[2NDMOUSE]

I own it... it is not at all a no brainer imho ... not at any price. It is unstable, you have to learn to think of drums in the abstract. When I buy software I use it. This has been the exception... this is extremely poorly coded.

quotes come before not after.
I suppose kvr is coded wrong too

bad workmen always blame the tools.

[zzz00m]

I own it... it is not at all a no brainer imho ... not at any price. It is unstable, you have to learn to think of drums in the abstract. When I buy software I use it. This has been the exception... this is extremely poorly coded.

I only had a minor issue with LR in one DAW, that was acknowledged by support, but I wouldn't call it unstable. That would be a subjective opinion based on the experience you had with your PC, not a general fact.

That is the other main reason to demo a software tool before you buy it, besides trying to determine if the GUI or workflow suits you.

With the nearly infinite combination of hardware and software we users can throw at a DAW PC these days, it is not a surprise that some combinations of configurations will have a conflict. It would be impossible for any developer to test all possible combinations for compatibility. If a problem is reproducible, and the developer was given an opportunity to fix the problem, then I would only judge them for their commitment and ability to deliver a fix.

I feel like I got more than my money's worth with LR. It is a great alternative to collecting and sifting through vast collections of MIDI packs, or using the same old familiar patterns in a step sequencer.

[pottering]

It is a good tool, a interesting middle-way point between programming/playing everything directly and using full pre-made MIDI loops.

Instead of browsing full MIDI drum loops, you browse smaller 1-bar 1- rhythm pieces, and build from those.

No tap2find like EZDrummer, but much better randomization options, and for £13, much cheaper.

I agree they created a naming and graphical system that is arbitrary and too removed from other drum tools and real-life drumming (stuff like "beatweaver", "molecules"...).

Mostly the naming, I like the graphical part, it does help after you learn what the symbols and colors mean.

It is a bit buggy, but again, for £13 it is a good tool.

And in my experience when it crashes, it crashes on its own, without taking the host with it.

[zzz00m]

No tap2find like EZDrummer, but much better randomization options, and for £13, much cheaper.

That one is on my wish list. It's not cheap, because it seems like you would also need to invest in many optional MIDI packs for that to make tap2find an effective tool. But I do like the idea for writing a complete drum track to fit into a song!

[2NDMOUSE]

And in my experience when it crashes, it crashes on its own, without taking the host with it.

I tend to use all 3rd party vsts similar to this, in a way where I do what I need to, and leave, rather than hanging round at the party and being the last one there.
I do what I need, bounce it out, delete the plugin. I do this with Maschine as well. It's mostly to save CPU, but it guards against vsts making a whole DAW hang.
I prefer working with the audio I've generated. Much cleaner and not dependent on the generator and its effects anymore.

[Local Man]

I would only recommend this if you use Ableton (it was originally built as a Max for Live device so there is integration with Ableton that doesn't exist with other DAW's). In Logic I found it to be too cumbersome to warrant using it regularly. On Mac it also requires some legacy Java software that needs to be updated every time you update your DAW or OS. Overall, more trouble than it was worth for me.
I'm still intrigued by the concept though so at some point I might try to delve into the standalone version and see if it's worth the effort. It might cool for generating some midi patterns that I can import into Logic later.

[Scotty]

The stability issues were the most difficult to accept for me. I paid a lot more than $13 bucks for it and the tech support didn't respond successfully to the issues that I was having related to dual monitors. Crashing the plugin ( I use Cubase and the vsts are not sandboxed like in Bitwig) brought down the DAW which is typically rock solid on my machine. The concept was and is intriguing but in practice it was like reading hieroglyphics when basic drum notation is already easy to understand. I was really happy with it in the first few hours but the feeling didn't last as I got deeper into the program. I was drawn to the generative aspects of it and the concept which is really interesting. I gave it a very good going over and revisited it again when it was updated but I doubt that it is an accident it is being blown out at $13 bucks. I stand by my comments.

So if $13 is just fun money then sure have at it but it doesn't meet my definition of no brainer given its instability.