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hag01 · Post by **hag01** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:28 pm

Here a good example of what I'm looking for:

Just to play with my MIDI keyboard...

progtronic · Post by **progtronic** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:47 pm

Just about any rompler vst will get you there:

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:56 pm

I recently did a goth/symphonic metal project and this is what I used.

Omnisphere
EWQL Various Orchestral Products
MODO Bass
Real Guitar and Vir2 Guitars
Chris Hein Solo Violin and Cello

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... temptation

Ignore the vocals.

Omnisphere is overkill for what you want because it's going to come with a lot of stuff that you'll probably never use and it's $500.

The EWQL stuff isn't cheap either

In fact, none of the stuff listed is cheap.

I don't know of any VST that covers the sounds you're looking for. Kronos is, well, Kronos and there is no VST version. Nothing I own (over 100 VSTs) comes close. Maybe there is some rompler out there like Nexus with a Goth Metal or Symphonic Metal library. Don't know. But the developers in general simply don't cater to this market.

Good luck finding what you're looking for, from a big goth metal head.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:58 pm

progtronic wrote:Just about any rompler vst will get you there:

The problem is, he's going to get 20 or 30 sounds for that genre and 300 sounds that he'll never use and pay a good chunk of change for it.

hag01 · Post by **hag01** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:09 pm

wagtunes, East West Symphonic Orchestra+Omnisphere will cover me for classical 90's and 00's black metal?

If so this is great because I wanted to buy those anyway, for tons of other things.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:53 pm

hag01 wrote:wagtunes, East West Symphonic Orchestra+Omnisphere will cover me for classical 90's and 00's black metal?

If so this is great because I wanted to buy those anyway, for tons of other things.

Yeah, they'll do it. But that's a good chunk of cash and Omnsiphere has no demo. At least last I heard anyway. Maybe that's changed but I haven't heard anything.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:15 pm

You need a Korg, that's it. Get the M1 plugin. It doesn't have the EXACT same sound (missing important strings sample that's only available on AI2 Korgs), but that's basically what Dimmu & co. used. Korg X5D, N364, that sort of thing.

generaldiomedes · Post by **generaldiomedes** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:23 pm

For classic black metal vibe a la Emperor or Dimmu, I would probably stay away from any uber-realistic orchestral libaries unless heavily layered with cheesy string synths. M1 is a great suggestion, may also want to look at the Roland Cloud romplers and the Wavestation VST.

progtronic · Post by **progtronic** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:38 am

wagtunes wrote:
progtronic wrote:Just about any rompler vst will get you there:
The problem is, he's going to get 20 or 30 sounds for that genre and 300 sounds that he'll never use and pay a good chunk of change for it.

I dunno man.. string, brass, bell, choir, organ, piano, harpsi, guitar, synth, etc.. all very common in just about all romplers. And those alone probably cover the vast majority of what's going to be available (in total) in just about any rompler.

Seemingly unrelated raw sample sets could be adapted by adding some attack, layering it with a more appropriate set (string, piano, etc..) and adding a bunch of chorus, reverb & delay. Basically any sound you can turn into a pad might work.. so I don't think most stray samples would go to waste.

In terms of price, there are many free and cheap romplers available. Free Orion ROMpler, KONTAKT Player (+free or cheap libraries), SampleTank, UVI Workstation, AIR Xpand!, etc...

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:56 am

wagtunes wrote:I recently did a goth/symphonic metal project and this is what I used.

Omnisphere
EWQL Various Orchestral Products
MODO Bass
Real Guitar and Vir2 Guitars
Chris Hein Solo Violin and Cello

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... temptation

Ignore the vocals.

Omnisphere is overkill for what you want because it's going to come with a lot of stuff that you'll probably never use and it's $500.

The EWQL stuff isn't cheap either

In fact, none of the stuff listed is cheap.

I don't know of any VST that covers the sounds you're looking for. Kronos is, well, Kronos and there is no VST version. Nothing I own (over 100 VSTs) comes close. Maybe there is some rompler out there like Nexus with a Goth Metal or Symphonic Metal library. Don't know. But the developers in general simply don't cater to this market.

Good luck finding what you're looking for, from a big goth metal head.

No offense. Dont buy the above stated plugins and libraries. Those are expensive and too clean and modern sounding!

Get some rompler like others told m1. Roland cloud. Free emu vst etc.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:10 am

progtronic wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
progtronic wrote:Just about any rompler vst will get you there:
The problem is, he's going to get 20 or 30 sounds for that genre and 300 sounds that he'll never use and pay a good chunk of change for it.
I dunno man.. string, brass, bell, choir, organ, piano, harpsi, guitar, synth, etc.. all very common in just about all romplers. And those alone probably cover the vast majority of what's going to be available (in total) in just about any rompler.

Seemingly unrelated raw sample sets could be adapted by adding some attack, layering it with a more appropriate set (string, piano, etc..) and adding a bunch of chorus, reverb & delay. Basically any sound you can turn into a pad might work.. so I don't think most stray samples would go to waste.

In terms of price, there are many free and cheap romplers available. Free Orion ROMpler, KONTAKT Player (+free or cheap libraries), SampleTank, UVI Workstation, AIR Xpand!, etc...

Won't argue with any of this but do you know how crappy most of that stuff sounds? I wouldn't use it on a dare.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:10 am

The genre in question doesn't ask for uber-realistic samples. They all used old Korg and Roland workstations - Korg was more prominent.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:46 am

EvilDragon wrote:The genre in question doesn't ask for uber-realistic samples. They all used old Korg and Roland workstations - Korg was more prominent.

This. No discussion needed anymore!

indigocat · Post by **indigocat** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:50 am

I was going to suggest Linplug Chronos, but it seems they've gone out of business. They flogged their stuff at $49 before they did, maybe there's still some somewhere. I think you have to do as someone suggested and use Kontakt. That's a good idea as there are any number of soundsets for Kontakt in the genre you are looking for, including some free ones. There are also some free samplers out there (you'll have to research) that will spread one sample right across the keyboard. That's the cheapest option as there are lots of free samples as well and not paying anything is quite inexpensive.

One more expensive option is RefX Nexus. This is the absolutely stellar and dominant app for dance music, but that is not to say there are no other genres within it. It's pretty dear though at about $249 with packs at $50.

Doing searches under things like 'black metal vst' and 'metal keys' will bring you up loads of free VSTs that are made for your genre.

@wagtunes : I listened to some of your music and enjoyed it enough to have it on for about an hour, though it's not at all what I usually listen to. I thought the Utub video was hilarious.

VST with classic 90's and 00's black metal keyboard sounds?