I have downloaded the manual of EnergyXT, to start with. After reading I'm just amazed. I didn't use it yet but if I have to believe the doc's it just does everything and could replace any host.
So now my question : Is this true?
if this is true I don't understand why you should use it as a vst in another host and not just replace the host.
Or I'm a bit over entousiactic and missing a couple of things. I do have a hard time believing that software that doesn't even cost 50 Euros could replace tracktion, live, cubase, ....
I'm counting on your experience here...
Rony
EnergyXT to good to be true ? Confused here....
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- KVRAF
- 1789 posts since 17 Mar, 2004 from Bretagne, the west of France
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
it can replace your host if you feel it does everything you need.
i however use tracktion and ext together. there's no need for it to replace anything; for me it does some fantastic things but i still use Tracktion for editing and arranging audio. i tend to use eXT just as an instrument, effect, or mangling playground. i rarely use its sequencer module but i can imagine using more and more of it as and when i feel like trying something new.
i'm not going to vote, as i believe it depends on who you are, so i am in no position to give a recommendation!
i however use tracktion and ext together. there's no need for it to replace anything; for me it does some fantastic things but i still use Tracktion for editing and arranging audio. i tend to use eXT just as an instrument, effect, or mangling playground. i rarely use its sequencer module but i can imagine using more and more of it as and when i feel like trying something new.
i'm not going to vote, as i believe it depends on who you are, so i am in no position to give a recommendation!
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
The modular approach of XT can be intimidating; the first time I looked at this program I just looked at it and thought - what the hell is going on here!
The second time I checked it out I went and purchased it, at this point I could still only do things like create fx/vsti chains and this is pretty well where I still am.
It is a program that has IMO an initial hurdle to jump - I am still to jump!
I think 'other' hosts are a little easier to get to grips with but at the same time they probably remain quite involved, whereas I feel that XT opens up once the initial grasp of its modular way of hooking things up is understood.
Perhaps XT needs to take a little detour at some stage and have a way of offering up a workable default for new users - this is not (as far as my very limited experience of it is concerned) currently possible due to the way you have to physically connect up plug-ins.
I initially purchased XT as it allowed me to use a program called ERA which I could not use in LOGIC due to some technical reason that XT (at 5% of the cost of Logic) could do.
Ask the same question in a years time - I think a lot of people LOVE the way XT can slip into their MAIN host and do all kinds of funky things
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Flipper.
The modular approach of XT can be intimidating; the first time I looked at this program I just looked at it and thought - what the hell is going on here!
The second time I checked it out I went and purchased it, at this point I could still only do things like create fx/vsti chains and this is pretty well where I still am.
It is a program that has IMO an initial hurdle to jump - I am still to jump!
I think 'other' hosts are a little easier to get to grips with but at the same time they probably remain quite involved, whereas I feel that XT opens up once the initial grasp of its modular way of hooking things up is understood.
Perhaps XT needs to take a little detour at some stage and have a way of offering up a workable default for new users - this is not (as far as my very limited experience of it is concerned) currently possible due to the way you have to physically connect up plug-ins.
I initially purchased XT as it allowed me to use a program called ERA which I could not use in LOGIC due to some technical reason that XT (at 5% of the cost of Logic) could do.
Ask the same question in a years time - I think a lot of people LOVE the way XT can slip into their MAIN host and do all kinds of funky things
.Flipper.
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
personally I've never used eXT as a vst and I'm not that much into modular-routing stuff (although the possibilities are great but I'm to lazy) thus I voted yes. 
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
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- KVRAF
- 3948 posts since 8 Sep, 2003 from germany
i voted "no" in the meaning of a "not yet" , mainly because i grew up with a "professional host"(Cubase) which just has such an neverending arsenal of tools and functions gained over the ten(?) years so that it's kinda unfair to make a comparison between the two , considering ext's rather young age .
It's not meant in a negative way , what energyxt does , it does well and it also complements Cubase beautifully .
It's not meant in a negative way , what energyxt does , it does well and it also complements Cubase beautifully .
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
I've only just started with XT and I think it's pretty cool so far, but I don't think it's really on par with some of these other sequencers and especially not Cubase etc.. if you're talking about a complete host.
It's under pretty heavy development at the moment - ie the updates are pretty frequent, so I'm pretty sure the featureset will improve reasonably quickly. There also seems to be encouragement to the user community to participate in the improvement program with suggestions and discussion. This is all very much in XT's favour.
It's never going to be Cubase and it's never going to be Logic in my opinion - not because it is inferior to them necessarily, but because it doesn't look like the direction here is to make a be-all-end-all host with all bells and whistles.
I think what you might get is a really great and lightweight host perfect for use in a live context or even full production if your needs aren't totally extravagant as well as a very versatile plug-in for a host with perhaps a heavier featureset.
I'm testing it out for a full production host at the moment and although I found it pretty unintuitive at the start and missing some features I would definitely like, I'm warming to it and haven't yet found anything that is actually preventing me from what I'm trying to do. That's a good start as far as I'm concerned.
Caleb
It's under pretty heavy development at the moment - ie the updates are pretty frequent, so I'm pretty sure the featureset will improve reasonably quickly. There also seems to be encouragement to the user community to participate in the improvement program with suggestions and discussion. This is all very much in XT's favour.
It's never going to be Cubase and it's never going to be Logic in my opinion - not because it is inferior to them necessarily, but because it doesn't look like the direction here is to make a be-all-end-all host with all bells and whistles.
I think what you might get is a really great and lightweight host perfect for use in a live context or even full production if your needs aren't totally extravagant as well as a very versatile plug-in for a host with perhaps a heavier featureset.
I'm testing it out for a full production host at the moment and although I found it pretty unintuitive at the start and missing some features I would definitely like, I'm warming to it and haven't yet found anything that is actually preventing me from what I'm trying to do. That's a good start as far as I'm concerned.
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1789 posts since 17 Mar, 2004 from Bretagne, the west of France
Thanks to all so far for the answers.
The actual score is Yes:8 No:4.
Still looking forward to other answers.
BTW Caleb, you should update your site a bit, latest news January 2003
Rony
The actual score is Yes:8 No:4.
Still looking forward to other answers.
BTW Caleb, you should update your site a bit, latest news January 2003
Rony
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Yeah I know.
I want to totally revamp it - but I want that revamp to include a serious step forward in music production.
After quite a long break from music I'm wanting to set the wheels in motion again and actually put out a CD. But I don't want to put that on a website at the moment because I haven't got enough real proof that I am actually putting together a CD.
And I need to replace my music computer which has gone bye bye.
Caleb
I want to totally revamp it - but I want that revamp to include a serious step forward in music production.
After quite a long break from music I'm wanting to set the wheels in motion again and actually put out a CD. But I don't want to put that on a website at the moment because I haven't got enough real proof that I am actually putting together a CD.
And I need to replace my music computer which has gone bye bye.
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRist
- 102 posts since 9 Sep, 2004 from C#3
Replace any host? I guess, it depends on what you want to achieve. At this moment it meets all my expectations. I just hope, it will not suffer from "featuritis" and stay what it is: a fantastic and stable lightweight vst-host, sequencer and (for me) musical sketch-pad.
furukama
furukama
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
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- KVRist
- 109 posts since 18 Dec, 2002
To be honest bucodi, this is a weird question to be asking other people. You are really the only one who can answer this. One person may say no because they have been using Cubase for a decade while someone else may say yes because they are brand new to making music with their computer and have minimal needs.
Try it out and let us know what YOUR answer is.
Try it out and let us know what YOUR answer is.
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- KVRist
- 235 posts since 18 Oct, 2002
Bucodi:
I could use eXT in place of Cubase SX if I wanted to. It would do an excellent job, but why would I want to? EXT is a redical departure. A whole host of new ways of approaching music. If Jorgen had spent all his time trying to replace everything else, it would be just like everything else. So as it stands, if a user lacks the funds for one of the larger seauencers like Cubase or Sonor, they can certainly produce professional results with eXT for very little money. The things that it lacks are just minor details. If a user already has one of the larger sequencers that hosts VST plugs, then just load eXT up and you have the best of many different worlds.
For my own purposes, I use eXT inside of Cubase SX because I like some of the midi tools that Cubase offers, such as the line tool in the midi. I also like the audio stretch features. And Cubase SX supports Cakewalk MFX midi plugs, which allows me to use SlicyDrummer and FillinDrummer. I could live without any of these, and get along fine with just eXT. And it is a great live host, too! This thing is amazing!
Baxter
I could use eXT in place of Cubase SX if I wanted to. It would do an excellent job, but why would I want to? EXT is a redical departure. A whole host of new ways of approaching music. If Jorgen had spent all his time trying to replace everything else, it would be just like everything else. So as it stands, if a user lacks the funds for one of the larger seauencers like Cubase or Sonor, they can certainly produce professional results with eXT for very little money. The things that it lacks are just minor details. If a user already has one of the larger sequencers that hosts VST plugs, then just load eXT up and you have the best of many different worlds.
For my own purposes, I use eXT inside of Cubase SX because I like some of the midi tools that Cubase offers, such as the line tool in the midi. I also like the audio stretch features. And Cubase SX supports Cakewalk MFX midi plugs, which allows me to use SlicyDrummer and FillinDrummer. I could live without any of these, and get along fine with just eXT. And it is a great live host, too! This thing is amazing!
Baxter
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1789 posts since 17 Mar, 2004 from Bretagne, the west of France
Baxter & Xian
I'm not trying to ask stupid questions here, sorry if I gave this impression.
I have to setup a new laptop for me to take with me on trips (to keep me busy in hotels
After reading the manual of energyXT I really wondered.
- I could install Tracktion on it wich I have.
- I could install Live on it wich I have
But if energyXT does all what those do (and perhaps more) it would allso be a perfect solution.
So I wanted some experience here, before spending the time of learning EnergyXT.
Rony
I'm not trying to ask stupid questions here, sorry if I gave this impression.
I have to setup a new laptop for me to take with me on trips (to keep me busy in hotels
After reading the manual of energyXT I really wondered.
- I could install Tracktion on it wich I have.
- I could install Live on it wich I have
But if energyXT does all what those do (and perhaps more) it would allso be a perfect solution.So I wanted some experience here, before spending the time of learning EnergyXT.
Rony