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] Peter:H [ · Post by **] Peter:H [** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:14 am

zerofox97 wrote:https://soundcloud.com/zerothefox/juce-spill/s-cRKmg Got a WIP of my own here. unlike VST2413, it actually sounds nice layered up some seven times. Drums are a bitch to make, pardon my French, and the pitch bend or lack thereof is another limiting factor. Yes I'm using external filters in it, but I assume it's alright since I did the same in my 2413 entry.

Nice one.

generaldiomedes · Post by **generaldiomedes** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:39 pm

zerofox97 wrote:Yes I'm using external filters in it, but I assume it's alright since I did the same in my 2413 entry.

Struggling with that one too, as filters do remove character of the synth, but my ears complain too much otherwise. And it if was not filters, then it would just be EQ ..

progtronic · Post by **progtronic** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:04 pm

You can use external filters?

Frostline · Post by **Frostline** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:38 pm

progtronic wrote:You can use external filters?

Well lets see...
Considering in the FAQ it provides a list of suggested 3rd party plug-ins https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/re ... ed-plugins
and in that list is an entire section dedicated to filters...

progtronic · Post by **progtronic** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:21 pm

Frostline wrote:
progtronic wrote:You can use external filters?
Well lets see...
Considering in the FAQ it provides a list of suggested 3rd party plug-ins https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/re ... ed-plugins
and in that list is an entire section dedicated to filters...

Had never even seen this page til now.. thanks.

Filters it is then!

doctorbob · Post by **doctorbob** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:25 pm

progtronic wrote:You can use external filters?

Yes, but I think the "rule" would be to not change the character of the synth too drastically. Basically your call on that, and I guess others would reflect that in their voting perhaps? Given heavy distortion and chorus is NOT allowed, then it's a matter of how much filtering and automation of that pushes the sound of the synth away from that which it made in the first place.

But, that said, I would guess just about everyone EQ's the hell out of a hat to get just those high freqs through and the onto a reverb or two!

dB

progtronic · Post by **progtronic** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:11 pm

doctorbob wrote:...I would guess just about everyone EQ's the hell out of a hat to get just those high freqs through and the onto a reverb or two!
dB

Yep.. definitely.

And, running it through a high-pass filter initially, would help a lot.. particularly for this months challenge.

zerofox97 · Post by **zerofox97** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:33 pm

Back in the VST2413 OSC, I mainly used automated lowpass filters to help with arrangement more than actually applying it to the sound design. I'm doing the same this month. Of course, I'm highpassing all my cymbals and hats because there are so many low frequencies that may interfere with the overall mix. as for most other sounds, I'm trying to leave the raw FM sound in there as much as possible, though that can be a bit difficult since most of the sounds I'm making are subtractive synth approximations anyway. Either way, What I'm doing now was what I did to come second place in one month, so whatever I'm doing now can't be too detrimental.

zerofox97 · Post by **zerofox97** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:10 pm

Ayy, I'm done! https://soundcloud.com/zerothefox/zerofox97-juce-spill

FL Studio 12

30x JuceOPLVSTi
11x OTT
21x Fruity Parametric EQ2
3x Fruity Limiter
1x Fruity PanOMatic
5x Fruity Delay 3
12x Fruity Reeverb 2
1x Fruity Stereo Shaper
1x Fruity Soft Clipper
5x IL Transient Processor

Made liberal use of layers for the supersaw pad. unlike VST2413, it sounds pretty good when it's layered and detuned.

generaldiomedes · Post by **generaldiomedes** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:05 pm

Well this whole contest is largely the ‘how can I make a freeware synth sound like massive or sylenth with layering eq reverb compression and OTT’ .. so it doesn’t really matter. I am as much an offender as anyone. Even with something as non-musical as a noise maker.

ontrackp · Post by **ontrackp** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:11 pm

generaldiomedes wrote:Well this whole contest is largely the ‘how can I make a freeware synth sound like massive or sylenth with layering eq reverb compression and OTT’ .. so it doesn’t really matter. I am as much an offender as anyone. Even with something as non-musical as a noise maker.

That's kind of an insult to everyone who composes music for this contest.

generaldiomedes · Post by **generaldiomedes** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:27 pm

ontrackp wrote:
generaldiomedes wrote:Well this whole contest is largely the ‘how can I make a freeware synth sound like massive or sylenth with layering eq reverb compression and OTT’ .. so it doesn’t really matter. I am as much an offender as anyone. Even with something as non-musical as a noise maker.
That's kind of an insult to everyone who composes music for this contest.

Being a contributor to this contest, I took no offense to it. Sometimes my 'inner wagtunes' escapes out into the open

zerofox97 · Post by **zerofox97** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:52 pm

ontrackp wrote:
That's kind of an insult to everyone who composes music for this contest.

I didn't take it as an insult. guess I don't compose music :v JK

generaldiomedes · Post by **generaldiomedes** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:00 pm

zerofox97 wrote:
ontrackp wrote:
That's kind of an insult to everyone who composes music for this contest.
I didn't take it as an insult. guess I don't compose music :v JK

Excellent track btw, your composition and arrangement skills are top notch.

Local Man · Post by **Local Man** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:44 pm

I'm not the type to get bent out shape one way or the other but I would like to add some thoughts regarding the use of filters in this round.
The lack of traditional filters is an inherent attribute of fm synthesis. The idea is that by using the envelope and tuning of the modulator signals you should be able to sculpt the sound in a far more sophisticated way than a simple low pass (or high or band pass) filter can achieve. Now that said, juceopl is a 2 op fm synth so that doesn't really give you much power for sound shaping, but by employing a traditional filter to make up for the deficit it would be all too easy to lose that special sonic character that is the signature of fm synthesis.
Of course EQ can be though of as just a collection of filters and there is no controversy about the use of EQ. I think if filters are used in a similar manner to the way most use EQ it would be no issue whatsoever. But if I am listening to a track in this round and I hear someone use a big resonant filter sweep, I am going to think that that person didn't take the challenge very seriously.

One Synth Challenge #110: JuceOPLVSTi by Bruce Sutherland (Taron Wins!)