KVR Audio

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:02 pm

baaz wrote:Is it really that bad ? any experiences with latest releases ?

From my limited use, worked flawlessly, Windows 7.

baaz · Post by **baaz** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:08 pm

Re: Feature Requests + Improvements [New 29/3/2018] 2018/03/29 03:36:05 (permalink)
My issues are:

*Something not right with aux tracks. A few issues listed in the topics below, and sometimes aux tracks just go completely silent. I stopped using using Aux tracks and went back to normal buses and the problems went away.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Soft-Synth-Bl ... 87247.aspx
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Where-is-that ... 08038.aspx
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3722493

*The audio engine often randomly stops, even when opening a project and press play, have to repeatedly keep hitting the reset audio icon.

*Some plugins, from my experience mainly waves don`t keep their settings open opening a project.

*Soft synths go out of time, especially where looping is concerned.

*Crashes on play after deleting information in the event list view.

*Automation sometimes doesn't work.

*Normalize bug: Video to reproduce here
forum thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3658242

*Clean Project Audio needs looking at too, often become unresponsive and crashes.

^^^ found this in the first page of features and improvements page of SONAR and this is scary as hell

rocksmoot · Post by **rocksmoot** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:35 pm

Sure it has defects, just like any other complex application does. And if a given defect happens to stand squarely in the middle of your way of doing things it's going to be a problem for you, maybe even a big problem. And yet for years many thousands of people, me included, have been successfully making music with this software, even paying several hundred dollars a year to have the ability to do so.

The fact is that Sonar was/is an amazingly capable, very powerful audio platform. Now that you can have it for the price of creating an account with BandLab, I can't imagine anyone not at least giving it a try to see if it works for them.

baaz · Post by **baaz** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:27 pm

rocksmoot wrote:Sure it has defects, just like any other complex application does. And if a given defect happens to stand squarely in the middle of your way of doing things it's going to be a problem for you, maybe even a big problem. And yet for years many thousands of people, me included, have been successfully making music with this software, even paying several hundred dollars a year to have the ability to do so.

The fact is that Sonar was/is an amazingly capable, very powerful audio platform. Now that you can have it for the price of creating an account with BandLab, I can't imagine anyone not at least giving it a try to see if it works for them.

i've been thinking about giving it an honest try but the thing is if after going through a learning curve and all, some nasty bugs keeps getting in my way it would be mean leaving sonar and learning some other DAW again.

Anyway, I think it's worth a try as i'll never know what i missed if i never try. Is there any good set of tutorial floating around on youtube for latest version ? ones i found were for x1, x3 etc which i think are very old and the videos for latest version on cakewalk's channel mostly are walkthroughs for "What's new" stuff. it's very confusing to find good tutorials with the version naming convention cakewalk have been using.

JoseC. · Post by **JoseC.** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:30 pm

baaz wrote:
Re: Feature Requests + Improvements [New 29/3/2018] 2018/03/29 03:36:05 (permalink)
My issues are:

*Something not right with aux tracks. A few issues listed in the topics below, and sometimes aux tracks just go completely silent. I stopped using using Aux tracks and went back to normal buses and the problems went away.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Soft-Synth-Bl ... 87247.aspx
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Where-is-that ... 08038.aspx
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3722493

*The audio engine often randomly stops, even when opening a project and press play, have to repeatedly keep hitting the reset audio icon.

*Some plugins, from my experience mainly waves don`t keep their settings open opening a project.

*Soft synths go out of time, especially where looping is concerned.

*Crashes on play after deleting information in the event list view.

*Automation sometimes doesn't work.

*Normalize bug: Video to reproduce here
forum thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3658242

*Clean Project Audio needs looking at too, often become unresponsive and crashes.
^^^ found this in the first page of features and improvements page of SONAR and this is scary as hell

I've been using Sonar for ages, as well as Ableton Live, and testing Reaper from time to time, and stability wise it has always been the most stable in all my systems. I have only had minor problems when my system was underpowered, but all in all, no more that the other DAWs. I have never considered Ableton Live particularly solid, especially if you use M4L, and Reaper bad midi timing is enough to keep me from using it with hardware synths, although it has other strengths.

Now you have it easy. Instead of searching from other people's bad experiences, you can try yourself for free.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:30 pm

Found an interesting article by SOS April 2006 covering aspects of Sonar which might be foreign or unknown to them such as ripple editing...

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... ave-missed

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:36 pm

baaz wrote:^^^ found this in the first page of features and improvements page of SONAR and this is scary as hell

Don't be afraid, every DAW have skeletons under it, every, think I found all of this in just Logic and Bitwig, believe me, every DAW has them, we are workarounding all the time.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:47 pm

It would be ubber cool if Bandlab had Groove3 give-away pass for their users to get to know their new DAW better.

BerryLaCroix · Post by **BerryLaCroix** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:16 pm

Hmm free for now. but not for long...?

Steve Bolivar · Post by **Steve Bolivar** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:46 pm

I've used Sonar since v2.2 thru the latest SPLAT. It was always very stable for me. I assumed that was from their at one time close relationship with Microsoft. I ran it on custom built machines and avoided Synth Edit plugins. FYI it doesn't like Output Movement but luckily plays nice with Molekular and all other NI instruments and effects.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:14 pm

baaz wrote:
*The audio engine often randomly stops, even when opening a project and press play, have to repeatedly keep hitting the reset audio icon.

*Soft synths go out of time, especially where looping is concerned.

I didn't often experience the out-of-time soft synth thing, but I did occasionally and it was hard to troubleshoot.

Much more annoying was the audio engine randomly stopping. Very annoying. One of the constant irritations I experienced with Sonar. Thing is, that was Sonar 8.5.3!! In all the revisions since, Cakewalk never bothered to fix this?? How is a stopping audio engine even a design feature??

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:07 pm

Creating an account to be able to post on the Cakewalk forum is disabled and thus I can't post this there but here's a instance of a stuck marker. Clicking on the stuck marker head and pulling it shows some weird results. Does any Sonar user know if there is a known cause or solution in how this can be rectified... ?

baaz · Post by **baaz** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:28 pm

THE INTRANCER wrote:Creating an account to be able to post on the Cakewalk forum is disabled and thus I can't post this there but here's a instance of a stuck marker. Clicking on the stuck marker head and pulling it shows some weird results. Does any Sonar user know if there is a known cause or solution in how this can be rectified... ?

lol that is weird

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:35 pm

baaz wrote:it's very confusing to find good tutorials with the version naming convention cakewalk have been using.

If you think time=money, than getting all-access-pass is good investment for this:
https://www.groove3.com/tutorials/SONAR-Explained

flugel45 · Post by **flugel45** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:44 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote:
Much more annoying was the audio engine randomly stopping. Very annoying. One of the constant irritations I experienced with Sonar. Thing is, that was Sonar 8.5.3!! In all the revisions since, Cakewalk never bothered to fix this?? How is a stopping audio engine even a design feature??

It used to be much more prevalent pre-X3, but there were a lot of coding fixes during sPlat that stopped it for most users, me included.

Since many cited issues may be system-specific (or even user-error), it's unwise to just accept someone else's list of problems as universal bugs... You need to try it for yourself.

Cakewalk Sonar Platinum is now free!