Fathom Synth Development Thread

[Distorted Horizon]

For the looping I had an original idea.

The play transport point will be modulate-able by any modulator,
so you will be able to play a sample at any speed direction and position using any envelope.

Isn't that what I asked?

Well I was talking about playhead but anyways.

I have one other feature in my mind.. Possibility to automate/control playhead with MSEG.
So it could make scratching, modulate the play direction and speed with single envelope.

[FathomSynth]

OK, I understand now.

Actually if your goal is for it to automatically re-sample itself for each MIDI note individually then you would not even need to send it the MIDI notes.

I can just add a function to do that, and it will internally re-sample itself for each MIDI note and populate all the samples into the list editor with one button press.

[baaz]

OK, I understand now.

Actually if your goal is for it to automatically re-sample itself for each MIDI note individually then you would not even need to send it the MIDI notes.

I can just add a function to do that, and it will internally re-sample itself for each MIDI note and populate all the samples into the list editor with one button press.

Exactly, it should record multiple notes, layers, velocities etc create loop points and create mapping to export as sfz.

[FathomSynth]

Next Release:

Wave Draw oscillator will include the new Gaussian fast filter.
Wave Table will be able to load all wave table positions automatically from a folder full of files.

The files can be either wave.xml format or *.wav.

If there are less than 16 files it will load the first positions in order.

[Halonmusic]

Man you are fast. Do you ever take breaks ?

[BlackWinny]

I don't think a VST synth is allowed to output MIDI but I'll check into it.
If I can do an auto sampling feature I will do it.

Well, we wouldn't want the VSTi to output any midi. We want to SEND midi to it and record its audio output.


All the rest you said sounds really exciting. Cant wait!

Beside that, I answer though to the point "I don't think a VST synth is allowed to output MIDI but I'll check into it."

The answer is Yes.


A VST synth is allowed to output MIDI.

I do it myself on some of my personal synths.
I use Synthedit to develop my own VST instruments... but Synthedit simply uses the VST software development toolkit. So the function is present in the SDK.

And... isn't it the main function of VST plugins like arpeggiators and step-sequencers? BlueARP, Cthulhu, etc.


You have also an interesting video here :



You have it also in Serum and in many other instruments.



Connecting the MIDI Outputs when developing a VST instrument is always a very good idea because it opens the plugin to many new abilities of operations by other plugins or by the DAW itself. And it is a strong argument in the features lists for some users.

[FathomSynth]

BlackWinny, Hey it's so good to hear from you again.
I was wondering how you are doing.

The videos are great, especially the first one. That's very interesting.
So a great arpeggiator could potentially be very useful in an entire mix,
not just the instrument it comes from.

Almost makes me wonder if I should do the arpeggiator before the sampler, hehe.

[brewt]

(Sampler feature request)
*ping*
Full Scala microtuning support.

[] Peter:H []

Not a feature request for a Sampler but a request for some wavetable tools.
Tone2 Icarus 1.6 comes with a set of newly integrated wav-to-wavetable import tools.
I quote one example:
"IMPORT SAMPLE->'Beat slice drumlop' cuts a sample into 16 or 32 waveforms and creates a patch with plays a BPM synced loop"
Find a full List here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=503228
Keep in mind this is only the features added with the update. Icarus offers already some more.
I don't want to do advertising for a different synth. My point is that a wavetable synth needs good tooling to support users to create fun sounds easily, be it integrated ones or external ones...

[Tj Shredder]

Or you have a sampler, which moves through the sample as if it where a wavetable synth. I would call that a granular sampler/synth hybrid. You would simply never touch wavetables again, way too complicated, all your skills went down the drain...; - )

[Michael L]

If you do the arp first, consider one like the iOS app Fugue Machine that has multiple playheads, speeds and directions. No plugin does that yet.

[BlackWinny]

BlackWinny, Hey it's so good to hear from you again.
I was wondering how you are doing.

The videos are great, especially the first one. That's very interesting.
So a great arpeggiator could potentially be very useful in an entire mix,
not just the instrument it comes from.

Almost makes me wonder if I should do the arpeggiator before the sampler, hehe.

Ha Ha ! Thanks ! I'm fine, Everett... currently.


What I would really like to find in VST/AU plugin is neither an arpeggiator nor yet another sampler (there are already so many of them) but something really new in the world of plugins : an organ in the type of those modern Technics or Yamaha or Roland or Elka double manual very modern organs. They all are twice organs and synths, and their sounds are absolutely awesome, far, far, far from the old "hammond" sounds.

A plugin not necessarily as complex as the real hardware models, of course, and not necessarily modeled after a real hardware... but providing the same sorts of dreamlike sounds (and with LFOs, VCOs, VCFs, and VCAs assignable on a manual or the other, and with possible modulations from a set to the other set) and featuring of course all the most common effects found in these very modern organs (tremolo, vibrato, aftertouch, phaser, flanger, multi-voice chorus, wah, auto-wah, ping-pong delay, and beautiful reverb).

And all that... using real VCOs or oscillators based on single-cycle waveforrms like those created by Adventure Kids (more than 4 thousands single-cycle waveforms...). And in addition, just the ability to use samples from WAV or AIFF (by the use of SF2, SFZ, why not) as replacing one of the VCOs on each of the sets.

And two rows of 8 buttons (one for each manual) to create a "bank in memory" before performing a song, as done in these modern organ-synths.

This, yes, it would be brand new in the world of the plugins... and it would be a huge success in that world where too many people make always and always and always the same things while each year all the users are expecting something really new and with pristine sounds such as these awesome modern double-manual organ-synths.

The market of samplers is already very crowded and by plugins which have very high rankings. I'm sure that making yet another one would not bring anything really new to the users, so it would not have a great success. It will be difficult to compete with TX16Wx, TAL-Sampler, Bliss... and not talking about Kontakt, HALion, UVI, etc.). What I suggest would be not yet another simple sampler... but an instrument which being also a sample-player (as one of its features) goes way beyond a synth/sample-player because it would be a very original instrument in the world of the plugins, reproducing the spirit of the actual most modern awesome organ-synths such as these:











Of course don't try to reproduce such awesome Rolls-Royce cars:

[nordickvr]

Nothing there I'd personally like a plugin to sound like but, may be a big potential market...
That said, I really look forward at Fathom Sampler, many ideas about samples manipulation shared over here sound pretty interesting.

[jmg8]

Not a feature request for a Sampler but a request for some wavetable tools.
Tone2 Icarus 1.6 comes with a set of newly integrated wav-to-wavetable import tools.
I quote one example:
"IMPORT SAMPLE->'Beat slice drumlop' cuts a sample into 16 or 32 waveforms and creates a patch with plays a BPM synced loop"
Find a full List here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=503228
Keep in mind this is only the features added with the update. Icarus offers already some more.
I don't want to do advertising for a different synth. My point is that a wavetable synth needs good tooling to support users to create fun sounds easily, be it integrated ones or external ones...

I agree the f**k out of you!
I am definitely thinking about purchasing Icarus just for the wavetable editor only. Would love more features to be added to Fathom.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

For those of us still coming to terms with all the features Fathom has, I upliaded a new video today. This one was by request and shows how to set up a note sequence.



I will continue on with my original plans to do more videos. The OSC was fun as always but quite taxing as always as well. The next video will be on Wave draw.