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whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:04 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:Add library feature will not return to Kontakt, it's all done with Native Access now.
And what happens now for those libraries where it doesnt work?
Rollback to 5.7.3 for the time being if you absolutely rely on those. NI is aware of the error and are working on a fix, we'll probably have 5.8.1 in due time.

EDIT: Actually, gotta rollback to 5.6.6. RA didn't load in 5.6.8 onwards, curious how nobody noticed till now.

well, there's been issues with library recognition since at least 5.6 and plenty of people noticing them, feels like NI are just compounding things more as Native Access proceeds.

I had to rebuild my system recently and while Service Centre worked for some stuff, the only way to get others working was by deleting the NativeAccess.xml (which curiously didnt seem to bother Native Access at all, so why was it there f**king up my libraries, I wonder?) something that was coming up as a solution(*) in 2016 threads at the NI forums, so this set of issues is hardly unknown.

https://www.native-instruments.com/foru ... rs.309261/

(* And by 'solution' I mean a crude, illogical potentially risky hack which makes me worry my stuff will break again every new NA/Kontakt revision.)

Quasar · Post by **Quasar** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:36 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Add library feature will not return to Kontakt, it's all done with Native Access now.

It will if enough people renounce the odious evil of Native Access and its mandatory intrusive online oversight of our private workstations.

NI's vile new CP scheme must be resisted until they feel financially compelled to restore an offline activation option and allow us to move our libraries at will without having to phone in.

BOYCOTT NATIVE INSTRUMENTS!

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:52 pm

Poe's Law?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:01 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:well, there's been issues with library recognition since at least 5.6 and plenty of people noticing them, feels like NI are just compounding things more as Native Access proceeds.

I had to rebuild my system recently and while Service Centre worked for some stuff, the only way to get others working was by deleting the NativeAccess.xml (which curiously didnt seem to bother Native Access at all, so why was it there f**king up my libraries, I wonder?) something that was coming up as a solution(*) in 2016 threads at the NI forums, so this set of issues is hardly unknown.

Yeah there was a transitional period where NA and SC didn't quite cooperate weand you got libraries disappearing from Libraries pane in Kontakt... this is all gone now ever since 5.6.8 after SC innards were removed from Kontakt.

BTW regarding NativeAccess.xml, that one gets rebuilt with latest version every time you start NA. It used to crap out back when SC/NA were still both in Kontakt but not anymore. This issue with RA/EWQLSO/Stormdrum/etc. is not related to these mishaps, it's a bit different issue.

Quasar wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:Add library feature will not return to Kontakt, it's all done with Native Access now.
It will if enough people renounce the odious evil of Native Access and its mandatory intrusive online oversight of our private workstations.

That won't happen either.

Quasar · Post by **Quasar** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:13 pm

jsp1979 wrote:Poe's Law?

Not at all. Native Instruments had a longstanding tradition of respecting those of us who choose to have a private, offline workstation not subservient to the clamor of the internet.

Some of us vested heavily into the ecosystem for precisely this reason. The old Service Center's offline C/R worked really well, and one could always purchase Kontakt Player libraries or download & install Kontakt updates without having to put our target computers on the internet.

Just because a computer workstation can be a globally-connected, interactive communications device does not in any way mean that it should be forced to be one. Had they always used their current scheme, I would not be complaining. I would simply ignore them and not buy their stuff. But changing their CP protocol now, from a position of monopolistic power - with so many 3rd party content creators dependent on them - is a profound and despicable betrayal of customer loyalty and trust.

I am outraged. And I am further outraged by the general lack of outrage by other DAW enthusiasts who see this as no big deal. In terms of fundamental human rights in the digital age, it's a very big deal.

Quasar · Post by **Quasar** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:20 pm

EvilDragon wrote: That won't happen either.

If I were a gambler (which I am not) I would bet that you are right. Such improbability, however, does nothing to change one's moral duty to renounce this evil however and whenever one can.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:46 pm

Looks like you're the only one who's outraged, then. Meanwhile, the Earth is still spinning and great majority of people continue making music while being always up to date and online while at it. So feel free to continue being Don Quijote, but it's getting really annoying already.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:48 pm

Quasar wrote:
jsp1979 wrote:Poe's Law?
Not at all.

I am outraged. And I am further outraged by the general lack of outrage by other DAW enthusiasts who see this as no big deal. In terms of fundamental human rights in the digital age, it's a very big deal.

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rasmusklump · Post by **rasmusklump** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:32 pm

If NI doesn't want my money they should go on with that route.

Gladly I have moved nearly completely to UVI now.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:39 pm

I'm still running Service Center on my studio computer. If I "upgrade" to Native Access will I lose any of my libraries or experience issues with authorizing any of my current N.I. software ?

I just don't have any desire to spend the day fixing anything that is broken by moving to Access.

Oh well I think I'll wait to install this Kontakt update.

felis · Post by **felis** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:43 pm

Quasar wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:Add library feature will not return to Kontakt, it's all done with Native Access now.
It will if enough people renounce the odious evil of Native Access and its mandatory intrusive online oversight of our private workstations.

NI's vile new CP scheme must be resisted until they feel financially compelled to restore an offline activation option and allow us to move our libraries at will without having to phone in.

BOYCOTT NATIVE INSTRUMENTS!

....

Music can still be made with hardware and real musical instruments.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:51 pm

Teksonik wrote:I'm still running Service Center on my studio computer. If I "upgrade" to Native Access will I lose any of my libraries or experience issues with authorizing any of my current N.I. software ?

Not as far as I can tell. My SC to NA transition was pretty smooth. All previously authorized products stayed authorized.

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:02 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Teksonik wrote:I'm still running Service Center on my studio computer. If I "upgrade" to Native Access will I lose any of my libraries or experience issues with authorizing any of my current N.I. software ?
Not as far as I can tell. My SC to NA transition was pretty smooth. All previously authorized products stayed authorized.

I‘ve had no problems at all. Can not understand the Native Access bashing done by certain people here...

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:04 pm

And the wannabe revoluzzers against NI...
I‘d like to have your problems!

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:04 pm

My most used library doesn't work.

No reason to be unhappy ?

Kontakt updated to 5.8.0