Kontakt updated to 5.8.0

[martinjuenke]

My most used library doesn't work.

No reason to be unhappy ?

Can‘t you step back with the Kontakt version?
Wait until they sorted out this problem...
Shit happens all the time in all places.

[topaz]

Yes, I have. But 5.6.6 had its own issues to deal with.

[martinjuenke]

Yes, I have. But 5.6.6 had its own issues to deal with.

I could set up a thread with poorly working plugins I have. I don‘t do it. I open support tickets and go on with making strange sounds...

[elxsound]

And the wannabe revoluzzers against NI...
I‘d like to have your problems!

My sympathies to those having issues.

As long as its something they are fixing, then I see no issues with moving to NA.

My biggest gripe with NA/Kontakt has been with moving to a new computer (manual install of programs). NA worked fine with 3rd party libraries, but for NI libraries I had to download and then install everything, despite having the libraries already installed on an external drive.

I would love to see a useful NA that is flexible enough to ease the pain of moving the entire library to a new hard drive, or recognize multiple libraries when installing NA and Kontakt on a new system, but using a libraries already installed on another drive.

Lots of room for progress.

[Obsolete236871]

Add library feature will not return to Kontakt, it's all done with Native Access now.

It will if enough people renounce the odious evil of Native Access and its mandatory intrusive online oversight of our private workstations.

NI's vile new CP scheme must be resisted until they feel financially compelled to restore an offline activation option and allow us to move our libraries at will without having to phone in.

BOYCOTT NATIVE INSTRUMENTS!

The following is not a rant, I own multiple NI products, have visited various great NI Sessions (Panel Talks) and generally think that NI is quite an innovative company that creates products that are in tune with the demand and needs of modern digital musicians!

Still, I will have to agree: it's generally a best practice to allow software to run offline, especially when it comes to software with a user base that includes professionals who 1. often use dedicated offline computers for audio / music related work and 2. need to be able to access their software under any circumstances. I would even prefer a dongle over this mandatory online scheme and despite being a fan of NI in general (after all Native Instruments was born and raised in my hometown), I think they took a wrong decision by going that online only route.

NI was probably thinking about cliche laptop producers and they were forgetting about those of us who prefer to use more powerful stationary computers in their studios, homestudios, garages or rehearsal rooms. In fact, I would argue that the level of professionals and semi-professionals among those who use dedicated stationary computers with no internet access is higher, than among those who make music on the same computer that they use for browsing, binge-surfing, watching nonsense on Youtube etc.

So, NI is basically abandoning the potentially more professional portion of it's user base by cutting them off from the ability to use the improved versions (of) and upcoming NI products. I have seen plenty of complaints, even on the NI forums, about this issue, but currently NI thinks that the percentage of people not being happy about their online-only policy is too little to be relevant. I wonder whether we need a petition to show how relevant this issue is!

[EvilDragon]

NI software doesn't require Internet connection for functioning, only for activation, and updates.

In fact, I would argue that the level of professionals and semi-professionals among those who use dedicated stationary computers with no internet access is higher, than among those who make music on the same computer that they use for browsing, binge-surfing, watching nonsense on Youtube etc.

Actually that doesn't seem to be the case, otherwise offline authorization would still be there. Clearly offline users are an extreme minority across NI's huge userbase (which is very likely a thick 6-digit number of people by now). NI did their research, they did the polls, the numbers have spoken.

[topaz]

"This project was generated using a newer version of the application.
Please upgrade your copy to recall the project."

so where to download 5.7.3 now ? as for instance RA isnt working in 5.8

[topaz]

How to rollback to 5.7.3 please ?

Add library feature will not return to Kontakt, it's all done with Native Access now.

And what happens now for those libraries where it doesnt work?

Rollback to 5.7.3 for the time being if you absolutely rely on those. NI is aware of the error and are working on a fix, we'll probably have 5.8.1 in due time.


EDIT: Actually, gotta rollback to 5.6.6. RA didn't load in 5.6.8 onwards, curious how nobody noticed till now.

[EvilDragon]

You can't unless you preserved the old executables/plugin DLLs/component files before the update (which is always a good thing to do). Contact NI support and ask for an older version installer, I think they should have all of previous versions stashed somewhere. Although, RA doesn't work in 5.7.3 here either, it only works in <5.6.6 over here.

[topaz]

Ok, it was working in 7.3 here.

Osx 10.12.6

[Obsolete236871]

NI software doesn't require Internet connection for functioning, only for activation, and updates.

In fact, I would argue that the level of professionals and semi-professionals among those who use dedicated stationary computers with no internet access is higher, than among those who make music on the same computer that they use for browsing, binge-surfing, watching nonsense on Youtube etc.

Actually that doesn't seem to be the case, otherwise offline authorization would still be there. Clearly offline users are an extreme minority across NI's huge userbase (which is very likely a thick 6-digit number of people by now). NI did their research, they did the polls, the numbers have spoken.

I doubt that NI has measured the level of professionalism of those who use offline stationary computers or those who would like to maintain an alternative offline capability.

Otherwise I would like to see the evidence to support that exact claim!
Of course, I'm sure that a company like NI would not decide such an issue ad hoc, but I wonder which quantitative and qualitative research methods they used and whether these methods were sufficient to create a proper picture? There have been quite a number of complaints on various forums (I would suggest that for every public complain there is x-amount of users who are just as dissatisfied but who don't voice their discontent publicly).

Sure, if NI just made a superficial research of how many of their users have at one point activated any NI software while being online (with their old activation software that allowed online and offline activation), then the number will be around 80 - 90%. But that doesn't say anything about the level of professionalism of the remaining 10 to 20% of users compared to the online activation majority. Maybe the 10 - 20% of users invest 10 times more in audio software, so that they are just as weighty as customers as the 80 to 90% of users who use their general purpose online computers?

That the tricky thing about data analytics and statistics: it's easy to generate some superficial, seemingly unambiguous numbers. But have you actually measured what you wanted or what you should have measured?

What's the use of 90% of your user base not having a problem with online only activation, when this 90% consists mostly of people who only spend 50€ a year on plugins, while the 10% of those who demand offline activation consists predominantly of professionals and semi-professionals who spend 500€ or more on average? Suddenly the minority becomes equally relevant!

My guess is: NI might have collected and analysed auto-generated data from their previous copy protection scheme / activation software, but this method has limitations and can generate an incomplete picture of the real relevance of an offline capability very easily, since it doesn't incorporate a number of crucial factors.

[Zombie Queen]

IMPROVED KSP: The maximum number of controls per control type has now been raised to 512
IMPROVED KSP: The maximum array size has now been raised to 1000000

Right in time!

[noiseboyuk]

My biggest gripe with NA/Kontakt has been with moving to a new computer (manual install of programs). NA worked fine with 3rd party libraries, but for NI libraries I had to download and then install everything, despite having the libraries already installed on an external drive.

I would love to see a useful NA that is flexible enough to ease the pain of moving the entire library to a new hard drive, or recognize multiple libraries when installing NA and Kontakt on a new system, but using a libraries already installed on another drive.

Yes, exactly my experience, except I was forewarned and installed 5.6.6 to add all the NI stuff. That it is still best practice imo when moving computers. Only after all the NI is back in place is it ok to update to the latest version (though from what Mario says, it might be wise to hold of 5.8.0 and wait for 5.8.1)

[Zombie Queen]

What an appalling piece of excrement NA is. They gave me Friday the 13th one hour early. I'm locked down, NA says Kontakt is not installed, installer won't run saying it's already installed, updater won't run saying it's not installed, Kontakt only runs in demo mode
Anyone knows what to clear in registry to be able to run the installer?

[fmr]

What an appalling piece of excrement NA is. They gave me Friday the 13th one hour early. I'm locked down, NA says Kontakt is not installed, installer won't run saying it's already installed, updater won't run saying it's not installed, Kontakt only runs in demo mode
Anyone knows what to clear in registry to be able to run the installer?

Download and run the NI Uninstall RegTool_64bit.exe