Cakewalk Bandlab V Presonus Studio One

[Aliens]

Will it cut into Presonus sales ?

Quite probably, at least among the home studio hobby musicians.

Those guys are real fickle fuc#ers, changing daws like most people do underwear.
I'm sure what ever PS lose this time, they'll make up on the next spin of the all pull your drawers (daws) up merry-go-round

[chk071]

I doubt that it will cut into the sales of any DAW... seriously, which person who is halfway professional, or willed to shell out hundreds of $ for a DAW will immediately jump on the free wagon, when a DAW which had notorious issues in the past, and which will require getting used to it, no matter what, is available for free? I really can't see that. Especially as, again, the future of Cakewalk is completely unclear.

Cakewalk is a nice option for people who always used Sonar, or beginners, who want to get into music production. Apart from that, i can't really see how it would cut into someone else's business, at all.

[pwal]

blimey

[dellboy]

I doubt that it will cut into the sales of any DAW... seriously, which person who is halfway professional, or willed to shell out hundreds of $ for a DAW will immediately jump on the free wagon, when a DAW which had notorious issues in the past, and which will require getting used to it, no matter what, is available for free? I really can't see that. Especially as, again, the future of Cakewalk is completely unclear.

Cakewalk is a nice option for people who always used Sonar, or beginners, who want to get into music production. Apart from that, i can't really see how it would cut into someone else's business, at all.

I agree, even though I was the one who wrote that it might. But I was careful to say "home studio hobby musicians".

If I was a professional and needed a reliable daw I woulld run with Studio One, or maybe even Reaper.

If I was a psychologist I would be very interested to observe that paid versus free is not the easy answer that one would expect. I am quite sure for instance that if Cubase were given away for free it also would lose its appeal overnight.

From the psychology perspective, the anomosity exhibited towards a now free daw is quite puzzling.

Why ?

[Feelshallright]

Presonus Studio One is my favorite DAW. We'll see over time for Cakewalk Bandlab.

[THE INTRANCER]

There are some things I like from Cakewalk that I would desire in Studio One, weirdly, I did encounter aspects and features I had designed for that big Reason design project I did such as the semi-modular interface, and switchable buttons, skinning and the notation aspect side. A video window and visible clips viewable vie a timeline is another area in some ways.

But as I've covered at length in the other main thread on CbB...there's many things fighting against it now.. Presonus is a big company, with not just software but a hardware division behind it...and I think that latter aspect is what gives consumers confidence about which bed to jump into...

Being free, isn't indicative of entrusting users to have the same kinda confidence in the development of something, and thus the loyalty of duty isn't there should anything go belly up. Strangely, I do think other developers will be looking at what Cakewalk provides if they haven't already, and at just what it was that attracted users to that daw in the first place... Future milestones of Presonus could very well aim to clean up those who have resisted temptations to jump ship from 'Sonar'....SO4 is on the horizon...

[soulone82]

These days I am using Reaper 5 and Studio One 3 Pro and I much prefer the workflow and efficiencies that these programs offer...

They are both great DAWs,but if I had to choose only one of them,it would be Reaper..

You sir, are a wise man!

[dellboy]

Presonus is a big company, with not just software but a hardware division behind it...and I think that latter aspect is what gives consumers confidence about which bed to jump into...

Bandlab is also a fledgling hardware company.

They already have there "BandLab Link Analog Audio Interface" at a competitive price with more products being developed. Meng already owns a music store chain, and also 49% of the famous "Rolling Stone" magazine.

His father is a billionaire businessman with direct access to Asian manafacturing capabilities. Meng now also owns Cakewalk with all its intellectual IP, which is fully mature software and only requires ongoing development.

The billionaire dynasty Meng belongs to are not in the habit of just throwing money into the wind.

They have a new modern 21st century business plan modeled on free software such as Facebook, Google, Twitter etc,and the last time I checked they were doing alright.

[CTStump]

Presonus is a big company, with not just software but a hardware division behind it...and I think that latter aspect is what gives consumers confidence about which bed to jump into...

Bandlab is also a fledgling hardware company.

They already have there "BandLab Link Analog Audio Interface" at a competitive price with more products being developed. Meng already owns a music store chain, and also 49% of the famous "Rolling Stone" magazine.

His father is a billionaire businessman with direct access to Asian manafacturing capabilities. Meng now also owns Cakewalk with all its intellectual IP, which is fully mature software and only requires ongoing development.

The billionaire dynasty Meng belongs to are not in the habit of just throwing money into the wind.

They have a new modern 21st century business plan modeled on free software such as Facebook, Google, Twitter etc,and the last time I checked they were doing alright.

The way these companies make money is by selling ads and mining info.

Hate too imagine that in a DAW but that is a possibility.

[dellboy]

The way these companies make money is by selling ads and mining info.

Hate too imagine that in a DAW but that is a possibility.

What info do you have that is so important that they can mine ?

I could understand if they required credit card info as a requirement, but all they know is my IP and email address.

Sheesh.........

[CTStump]

The way these companies make money is by selling ads and mining info.

Hate too imagine that in a DAW but that is a possibility.

What info do you have that is so important that they can mine ?

I could understand if they required credit card info as a requirement, but all they know is my IP and email address.

Sheesh.........

Cool your jets dellboy... Nothing is free they have to make money someway, these are some of the ways.

Right now it's the "Tip Jar" who knows what it will be later.

Oh and I wrote that may be a possibility NOT that it is a reality.

[trampofnine]

Pull up a chair everybody....

Here we go again

I know right?

"An invitation to participate in more nonsensical daw war drama that's been done 1000 times before here and on just about every other music forum.".

[dellboy]

The way these companies make money is by selling ads and mining info.

Hate too imagine that in a DAW but that is a possibility.

What info do you have that is so important that they can mine ?

I could understand if they required credit card info as a requirement, but all they know is my IP and email address.

Sheesh.........

Cool your jets dellboy... Nothing is free they have to make money someway, these are some of the ways.

Right now it's the "Tip Jar" who knows what it will be later.

Oh and I wrote that may be a possibility NOT that it is a reality.

Actually, every time I fire up Studio One I am confronted with an advert page.

I just had a look and there is a "Sample Magic" advert on the Studio One opening page. So this is one way to monetize by having an opening ad page in CwBl advertising the hardware they sale, and possibly new software.

And as they are already on Android, another common way on that platform is by offering a cut down version with ads, or a paid ad free version.

Whether they can port an OSX or Android version of Sonar I have no idea, but a cut down version may be possible with ads.

[whyterabbyt]

I doubt that it will cut into the sales of any DAW... seriously, which person who is halfway professional, or willed to shell out hundreds of $ for a DAW will immediately jump on the free wagon, when a DAW which had notorious issues in the past, and which will require getting used to it, no matter what, is available for free?

well, probably a large percentage of the people who were using some variation of Sonar, for one.

[JoseC.]

Presonus is a big company, with not just software but a hardware division behind it...and I think that latter aspect is what gives consumers confidence about which bed to jump into...

Bandlab is also a fledgling hardware company.

They already have there "BandLab Link Analog Audio Interface" at a competitive price with more products being developed. Meng already owns a music store chain, and also 49% of the famous "Rolling Stone" magazine.

His father is a billionaire businessman with direct access to Asian manafacturing capabilities. Meng now also owns Cakewalk with all its intellectual IP, which is fully mature software and only requires ongoing development.

The billionaire dynasty Meng belongs to are not in the habit of just throwing money into the wind.

They have a new modern 21st century business plan modeled on free software such as Facebook, Google, Twitter etc,and the last time I checked they were doing alright.

And Gibson is/was a huge company that is sinking like the Titanic. I have used Cakewalk since the times of Greg Hendershott, and I liked very much its commitment to make a great DAW for the Windows platform. It was the Roland disaster what made Cakewalk almost go down. Gibson was in the right track, but as I said, that ship started to sink, and not by Cakewalk's fault. We'll see how Bandlab does, but with Noel on board I have no doubt that as long as they care just a little for the product, it will continue to get better at a good pace.

Steinberg also had some stormy times, being sold and resold until Yamaha bought it and finally made it situation stable. We'll see how this goes for Cakewalk, but being pushed by the largest music store chain in Asia is no small reason to think that they have a good chance to stay in the market.