KVR Audio

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:30 pm

nichttuntun wrote:Yes there are some great custom made skins out there and already use them. But the overall fonts size still could be bigger as the GUI size in general. I am in contact with the developer and he said he is aware of this.

I like the Hoverland Dusk skin. But the good thing about the Ingonater skin above is that it is bigger than the others. Also because there are so many controls, the simplicity and flatness works well. It's much easier to see the values of the knobs. AQ's white SEM style skin is nice but too hard to see the control values.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:44 pm

mcbpete wrote:Yeah it's a real good synth, though (in my opinion) made much harder to use with the realistic-looking GUI cluttering up the controls. I definitely recommend using the flatland skin at the top here - https://www.kvraudio.com/product/poly-a ... /downloads (the info text explains where to dump the files)

It's always going to be a sea of knobs no matter what skin is on it. Personally, I'd rather there were tabs for the oscillator and filter controls and some form of mod-matrix (pin-based might work with this one, like a VCS3). But that's never going to happen - and wouldn't be popular with the "I HATE TABS" crowd in any case.

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:56 pm

Can confirm, Poly-Ana has an amazing bottom end. For someone inexperienced with hearing synths sans FX, it lacked some of the immediate "wow" factor when I first tried it many years ago. (There's a reason most softsynths carry onboard effects.) Also, a lot of the stock presets are kind of bland. Once I got into the the thing and programed a few of my own patches, learned more about FX, etc., the quality became apparent. My first stop for impactful basses.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:16 pm

nichttuntun wrote:Yes there are some great custom made skins out there and already use them. But the overall fonts size still could be bigger as the GUI size in general. I am in contact with the developer and he said he is aware of this.

Joyful modulating.

He might use bigger fonts if he didn't use so many and long labels to begin with. It all looks so dense, the envelope sections for instance.
The 9 little separator lines around all the knobs also contribute to the perceived chaos.
Who cares that the max of the envelope times is 60s, for instance. A clear parameter and value readout like on Tal's new Mod would be better in my view.
Btw, what do the 6.35 marks for the envelopes mean?

The contrast of that skin below (or above, depending on your KVR display settings

) doesn't help, either, black on gray is hard on the eye. But that skin is at least a huge improvement compared to the original.

So, how does the sound compare to today's top synths? And CPU usage? I remember demoing it a long time ago on my old computer, it sounded good, but not spectacular if I remember correctly.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:25 pm

Still sounds great imho. Poly is in my top five best sounding VA's. It can do really convincing analog bass. CPU use is low on my setup compared to Pro-5 or LuSH-101 ... a larger skin would be appreciated.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:30 pm

What do you mean by analog bass? Like on which song?

nichttuntun · Post by **nichttuntun** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:55 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
nichttuntun wrote:Yes there are some great custom made skins out there and already use them. But the overall fonts size still could be bigger as the GUI size in general. I am in contact with the developer and he said he is aware of this.
I like the Hoverland Dusk skin. But the good thing about the Ingonater skin above is that it is bigger than the others. Also because there are so many controls, the simplicity and flatness works well. It's much easier to see the values of the knobs. AQ's white SEM style skin is nice but too hard to see the control values.

Hi Echoes in the Attic,
me too but I am using the Flatland Skin now due to the fonts size. I don´t like it too much...reminds me of PPG synth inspired design and I think that does not so good fit POLY-ANA...but hey! I enjoy the synth more now because I simply can work better with it using the bigger skin. And until official re-sizing or bigger skins are out I find it simply great that Ingonator made it.

I screwed around another some hours and I am stunned about the unbelievable analogish sound quality. I am simply breathless. POLY-ANA beats them all in my opinion and stands even above my favorite U-HEs fantastic sounding Synth now (regarding the aspect how analog they sound - I state clear that I think they are all great synth), can´t believe how amazing this thing is for experimental and metallic and brutal industrial stuff but also for very smooth and very nice/ sweet/ ambient sounding stuff. Wow!!!

Please ADMIRAL QUALITY...don´t give up on that treasure and keep developing it further, even if it is a killer synth right now...you could make it legend one day

It´s a pity the Dev isn´t able to response on KVR. Again my question: Why is so less talking about this synth on Youtube and forums in general? I don´t understand this fact.

Joyful modulating

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:33 pm

nichttuntun wrote: It´s a pity the Dev isn´t able to response on KVR. Again my question: Why is so less talking about this synth on Youtube and forums in general? I don´t understand this fact.

Yes unfortunately he has a bit of a temper and can get rather insulting. What got him banned was actually some really out of control and necessary bashing of the KVR devs because the site was having some issues one day. he sort of lost it and ranted about how terrible they were at their jobs. But he had gotten into some trouble before for being disrespectful as well. hopefully he's gotten his temper under control.

As for why more people don't talk about it, well it's a pretty old synth now and you could really say the same for lots of older VSTs, like Minimonsta or Arturia'a CS-80 or ARP 2600 or the Korg Monopoly etc. All of these have had their discussion years ago and some pop up once in a while like Poly-Ana. People also weren't a fan of the angled original GUI, which turned some off, but not sure how much that might have originally impacted it's popularity.

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:39 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:What do you mean by analog bass? Like on which song?

The Unshushable Coktor did a spot-on rendition of Boards of Canada's ROY G BIV bass with Poly-Ana. Just one example.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:46 pm

Found it:
https://soundcloud.com/the-unshushable- ... ygbiv-bass

fluffy_little_something · Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:49 pm

nichttuntun wrote:I screwed around another some hours and I am stunned about the unbelievable analogish sound quality. I am simply breathless. POLY-ANA beats them all in my opinion and stands even above my favorite U-HEs fantastic sounding Synth now (regarding the aspect how analog they sound - I state clear that I think they are all great synth), can´t believe how amazing this thing is for experimental and metallic and brutal industrial stuff but also for very smooth and very nice/ sweet/ ambient sounding stuff. Wow!!!

Please ADMIRAL QUALITY...don´t give up on that treasure and keep developing it further, even if it is a killer synth right now...you could make it legend one day

Joyful modulating

Would be strange if such an old synth sounded better than the latest U-he or Synapse Audio synths...
Does it have 0df filters? Not that I needed them, but people keep saying they are superior to older filters...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:54 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote: Does it have 0df filters? Not that I needed them, but people keep saying they are superior to older filters...

Judge for yourself... you have TAL-Noisemaker (the SVF filter is zero delay feedback), and TAL-MOD, which also has zdf filters. If they're superior in general, well... i think they are superior when it comes to resonance behavior, and very fast/audio rate modulation, where they don't "break apart", like non-zdf filters (all that if done right, of course). But, in general, zdf or not, i think filters have come a long way, and are much better now than 10 years before. Best filter i heard in software is the one in Monark, and that one is zdf for sure.

Whether or not Poly-Ana has zdf filters, i don't know. My guess would be no, because, it's already pretty old, and, i doubt the dev has "adapted" to new technology.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:15 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:What do you mean by analog bass? Like on which song?

I used Poly-Ana for everything except drums on this track ...
https://dangerousorange.bandcamp.com/tr ... point-edit

fluffy_little_something · Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:18 pm

chk071 wrote:Judge for yourself... you have TAL-Noisemaker (the SVF filter is zero delay feedback), and TAL-MOD, which also has zdf filters. If they're superior in general, well... i think they are superior when it comes to resonance behavior, and very fast/audio rate modulation, where they don't "break apart", like non-zdf filters (all that if done right, of course). But, in general, zdf or not, i think filters have come a long way, and are much better now than 10 years before. Best filter i heard in software is the one in Monark, and that one is zdf for sure.

Whether or not Poly-Ana has zdf filters, i don't know. My guess would be no, because, it's already pretty old, and, i doubt the dev has "adapted" to new technology.

While I like the feature set of Noisemaker, I never really liked its sound, it sounds a bit harsh and cold to me.

I don't remember Poly-Ana sounding better than the best modern synths today...

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:24 pm

Sounds like a personal problem

Poly-Ana: Coming soon from Admiral Quality.