Daws with Live style looping pattern mode.

[tonymax]

any plugins that work like mixcraft performance panel?

thanks

[Schmidi]

It gets very little attention here, but Akai's MPC software has evolved a lot and has these abilities. Basically you could record a sample, trim it, and turn it into a looping clip or a warped sample that could be sequenced. It's fast, but maybe not quite as fast as recording a looping session view clip in Live. However, with the pattern sequencer I've found it more conducive to finishing songs (instead of short loops).


It's a solid sampler that has:
- a nice pattern sequencer
- better hands on hardware integration than almost any other DAW (if you also have a modern MPC. It also has good controller integration of your VST's via MPC hardware), especially for sample chopping!
- warping of samples, which can also be launched like Live clips
- integrated looper for building a multilayered sample
- 8 audio tracks, 8 submix busses, 4 S/R,
- a song mode that (for me at least) really helps in turning my loop patterns into finished songs

[dellboy]

You can set loops to different lengths in the performance panel.

Yes, I have found that out.

I am quite impressed with Mixcraft after playing with it for a few days.

Its starting to turn into a Bitwig clone.

If they can tidy up the arming of cells which is a bit convoluted at present it could become a cheaper way into Live\Bitwig style composing and auditioning. Try as I might, I could find no way of triggering cells with the PC keyboard or midi which is a pretty essential basic requirement.

[Kinh]

Are there any daws,other than Live and Bitwig, which have a looping pattern mode which works in the same way as Live ?

I know Reaper has an addon, and Sonar has a partial loop mode, but I mean a fully functioning integrated looping pattern mode.

And if not, why not ?

Should it be an essential component of any modern daw ?

Ableton was smart and could foresee the future of music, the others developed in the 90s (when music was shit) had no idea what was ahead.

[Kinh]

It gets very little attention here, but Akai's MPC software has evolved a lot and has these abilities. Basically you could record a sample, trim it, and turn it into a looping clip or a warped sample that could be sequenced. It's fast, but maybe not quite as fast as recording a looping session view clip in Live. However, with the pattern sequencer I've found it more conducive to finishing songs (instead of short loops).


It's a solid sampler that has:
- a nice pattern sequencer
- better hands on hardware integration than almost any other DAW (if you also have a modern MPC. It also has good controller integration of your VST's via MPC hardware), especially for sample chopping!
- warping of samples, which can also be launched like Live clips
- integrated looper for building a multilayered sample
- 8 audio tracks, 8 submix busses, 4 S/R,
- a song mode that (for me at least) really helps in turning my loop patterns into finished songs

I agree the MPCs are amazing especially the X BUT the problem wit them is dis...
They're slicing technology, as good as it is is dated..meaning, hiphop doesn't use sample cuts anymore like it used to. Listen to new artists and you'll see wha' I mean. The developers at AKAI didn't see this coming. They just continued making slicing better and faster without any consideration for changing trends.

Native Instruments at least has some of the DJ market with their controllers but classic MPCs dont create hiphop music no more. It's a shame, Id really like to buy that AKAI X but it's just pointless now because of how trap and hiphop is produced. Slicing is dead basically.

[Schmidi]

kinh, I kind of hear what your saying, but for me at least that's just a (very handy) tool in a MUCH expanded feature set since the original hardware units.

[Topcheese]

Try as I might, I could find no way of triggering cells with the PC keyboard or midi which is a pretty essential basic requirement.

You can click the "Midi Learn" button located in the upper toolbar.

And here's another tip. http://acoustica.com/kb/tip-right-click ... _1277.html

[dellboy]

Try as I might, I could find no way of triggering cells with the PC keyboard or midi which is a pretty essential basic requirement.

You can click the "Midi Learn" button located in the upper toolbar.

And here's another tip. http://acoustica.com/kb/tip-right-click ... _1277.html

Thanks for your help.

I hate looking at manuals, I like to hope it will be intuitive.

I managed to assign a PC keyboard number to trigger a clip, but, frustratingly, pressing the number again does not stop the clip.

This time I did watch a video and read the manual, but I cannot find a way to assign a seperate stop button for each individual clip ?

[dellboy]

After looking for this feature in various daws, I found something that resembles this function in Sonar.

Ideally, I would like independent track looping.

My ideal,in a linear daw, would be to set up, say, a five bar loop, and lay down an instrument,lets say piano. One could then choose for the track to continue in a linear fashion,or right click and engage "loop clip". The next tracks could then be laid down either looped or linear etc. It seems so obvious to me, but only one daw that I have found has something that resembles this - Sonar.

In this daw,one can lay down a five bar piano clip and drag it to a matrix view cell. The same can be done for bass - drums - whatever. In the matrix view there is a "follow transport" button" , along with a "capture matrix performance" button. Then a new track with whatever instrument is desired can be enabled,and pressing record sets the whole thing looping to play and record along to.

The really clever thing, unlike Ableton Live, is that there is little need to trim the clips, just drag them into the matrix cell and they loop seamlessly.

The great thing is that this feature I was looking for is available in a free daw !

[zzz00m]

After looking for this feature in various daws, I found something that resembles this function in Sonar.

Ideally, I would like independent track looping.

My ideal,in a linear daw, would be to set up, say, a five bar loop, and lay down an instrument,lets say piano. One could then choose for the track to continue in a linear fashion,or right click and engage "loop clip". The next tracks could then be laid down either looped or linear etc. It seems so obvious to me, but only one daw that I have found has something that resembles this - Sonar.

In this daw,one can lay down a five bar piano clip and drag it to a matrix view cell. The same can be done for bass - drums - whatever. In the matrix view there is a "follow transport" button" , along with a "capture matrix performance" button. Then a new track with whatever instrument is desired can be enabled,and pressing record sets the whole thing looping to play and record along to.

The really clever thing, unlike Ableton Live, is that there is little need to trim the clips, just drag them into the matrix cell and they loop seamlessly.

The great thing is that this feature I was looking for is available in a free daw !

I was getting ready to mention the Matrix view in Sonar, but you beat me to it. That idea was originally introduced with the Groove Matrix in 2005 with Cakewalk Project5 v2 (a soft synth workstation). https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/ca ... oject-5-v2 Cakewalk eventually discontinued Project5, but a few of the features, such as the Matrix, were migrated into Sonar.

It has been observed that Bitwig and Mixcraft copied this idea from Cakewalk (which probably borrowed the concept from Live).

[zzz00m]

In this daw,one can lay down a five bar piano clip and drag it to a matrix view cell. The same can be done for bass - drums - whatever. In the matrix view there is a "follow transport" button" , along with a "capture matrix performance" button. Then a new track with whatever instrument is desired can be enabled,and pressing record sets the whole thing looping to play and record along to.

The really clever thing, unlike Ableton Live, is that there is little need to trim the clips, just drag them into the matrix cell and they loop seamlessly.

You can drag/copy clips in both directions from the timeline to the Sonar Matrix and back. Works with both MIDI and audio clips.

You can also slice clips by selecting part of a clip in the timeline, and then dragging just the selection to a cell in the Matrix. If "Groove-Clip Looping" is enabled on a clip, you will need to "Bounce to clips" first before making the selection, else the whole loop in the timeline gets selected when you drag it.

[Chapelle]

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[dellboy]

If I understand correctly, Cubase and Logic have functions like the one you describe.

Cubase has an independent track loop:
https://steinberg.help/cubase_ai_le_ele ... _up_t.html

In Logic, you can select a clip and hit 'L' on your keyboard to make the clip loop indefinitely throughout the arrangement.

Interesting.

Reading your link I think that Logic looping is the same as "groove clip looping" in Sonar. You pull out the edges of a clip for as many times as needed. Sonar does this by pressing "Ctrl L" and dragging the clip.

I think that both Logic and Cubase require complete bars to loop in sync. (not sure).

The brilliance of Sonar looping is that you could play, lets say, five notes, and drag the clip into a cell, and they stitch together automatically and loop. No need for complete bars.

Ableton Live and Bitwig do something similar, but you often have to trim or extend to full bars to get everything to sync.

[JoseC.]

If I understand correctly, Cubase and Logic have functions like the one you describe.

Cubase has an independent track loop:
https://steinberg.help/cubase_ai_le_ele ... _up_t.html

In Logic, you can select a clip and hit 'L' on your keyboard to make the clip loop indefinitely throughout the arrangement.

That is track based clip looping, that is also available in Cakewalk as "groove clips", but what he means is the Matrix, that is a cell matrix that can play at the same time as the linear arrangement.

[xbitz]

can create a dedicated "session" playlist view in FL 20 (now it supports multiple playlists) so the workflow with it